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    Posted: 17 Sep 2018 at 5:46am
For challenge two of the FF contest (2018), I ended up learning a lot about the conflict in Syria in an effort to do justice to the story that had grabbed me in response to the prompts, while feeling a bit uncomfortable about the issue of #ownvoices (I am not Kurdish, I am not Syrian, and I have never had to be a refugee). I submitted my story, but I probably won't seek to publish it anywhere because I feel ambivalent about my right to tell this story...
Would love to hear if anyone else has grappled with a similar issue?


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I think that human resistance, pain, delight , is universal. I do see where you're coming from, but if you've made an effort to do it justice, to humanize the refugee plight, I wouldn't worry so much about this.

If we only wrote in the narrow bubble of what we've experienced, then imagination and empathy wouldn't need to exist.
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I've thought about this too - I reckon write what you want, don't resort to stereotypes and you should be fine. Sounds like an interesting story you wrote!
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Originally posted by MadEyeMary MadEyeMary wrote:

I think that human resistance, pain, delight , is universal. I do see where you're coming from, but if you've made an effort to do it justice, to humanize the refugee plight, I wouldn't worry so much about this.

If we only wrote in the narrow bubble of what we've experienced, then imagination and empathy wouldn't need to exist.

I agree with this. Also, when you have more time than 48 hours, try to get someone that IS represented in your story to do a Sensitivity Read for you.
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Originally posted by HR Garcia HR Garcia wrote:

Originally posted by MadEyeMary MadEyeMary wrote:

I think that human resistance, pain, delight , is universal. I do see where you're coming from, but if you've made an effort to do it justice, to humanize the refugee plight, I wouldn't worry so much about this.

If we only wrote in the narrow bubble of what we've experienced, then imagination and empathy wouldn't need to exist.

I agree with this. Also, when you have more time than 48 hours, try to get someone that IS represented in your story to do a Sensitivity Read for you.

That is a fantastic idea about a 'sensitivity read', it's so easy to take a misstep with these things. For instance, I found out that some names assigned to Kurdish people in the media are actually the names Turkish authorities insisted on, and are often intended to make them sound less Kurdish. I very very nearly fell into that trap, and only by chance found out in time.

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Sensitivity readers are great.
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sensitivity readers are good, but you know if you’ve gone to far. The readers are good for pointing out something you might not have considered, but the overall feeling, for lack of a better word, is up to you. 

This round I appropriated an old Indian legend and reworked it for my prompts. I also added a more meaningful ending. I do not feel this is offensive because no particular tribe had claim to this legend; furthermore, I kept as much of the “gist” of the original story as possible. Actually, there wasn’t much of an original story there. If anything, I believe, I have brought the legend of the snake woman back into the light. Will others agree?  Maybe, and then, maybe not. Some may not like my additions.  They may not mind I made additions, but they might wish I’d gone a different way with them. Others may believe only an Indian has the right to embellish this story. 

There are obviously arguments pro and con re what I have done. But my conscious is clear, and for most of us I believe that is the best measure as to whether what we have done is appropriate. 
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Thanks for everyone's thoughts on this so far. 

Aside from this competition, in terms of making your work saleable, I believe this #ownvoices consideration is becoming more and more pertinent for agents and publishers. I may be wrong, but that's the impression that I get.

It's such a tricky line to walk. 
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My original story idea this round (mystery/racetrack/crowbar) was to have bronze horse statues stolen from a defunct horse track, and for it to turn out to be a local Native American man scrapping the metal to use in building and repairing houses in a nearby reservation. It was inspired by a modern Blackfoot poet I like who once wrote a story about a young man who stole cars as a modern method of stealing back the horses white men stole from them. However, there were lots of flaws in my story idea. Not only did it seem like way too much story for 1000 words, but I am not full-blood Cherokee. I am not only mixed, but don't even look it the way my brothers do. Physically I "pass white." I've never lived on a reservation. I stood the chance, either way, of coming off as insensitive, painting Native Americans as criminals or poor or so forth. So I scrapped it.

It is hard sometimes to write in a thoughtful honest fashion about a race or gender or religion that isn't yours. I'm no Arthur Golden.
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Originally posted by bleustick bleustick wrote:

My original story idea this round (mystery/racetrack/crowbar) was to have bronze horse statues stolen from a defunct horse track, and for it to turn out to be a local Native American man scrapping the metal to use in building and repairing houses in a nearby reservation. It was inspired by a modern Blackfoot poet I like who once wrote a story about a young man who stole cars as a modern method of stealing back the horses white men stole from them. However, there were lots of flaws in my story idea. Not only did it seem like way too much story for 1000 words, but I am not full-blood Cherokee. I am not only mixed, but don't even look it the way my brothers do. Physically I "pass white." I've never lived on a reservation. I stood the chance, either way, of coming off as insensitive, painting Native Americans as criminals or poor or so forth. So I scrapped it.

It is hard sometimes to write in a thoughtful honest fashion about a race or gender or religion that isn't yours. I'm no Arthur Golden.


Perhaps the reason you and I feel differently is because your story identifies with a particular tribe whereas mine is so old that it is simply "Indian."  But then, maybe not.  Either way, I like the fact that you did what your conscious told you to do - that is exactly what I was saying.  I hope you will read my story and be honest in your opinion.  I think you will see where the big change from the original story comes, and I hope you will see what I did, in the end, was to use the Snake Woman legend as a hope for the future.  But maybe that isn't relevant or important...anyway, I'd be glad for you to tell me what you thought.  
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