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MichelleK
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Topic: When your story spans the yearsPosted: 26 Mar 2015 at 10:45am |
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Hello, writers.
I seem to be caught in a pattern. The last three stories I have written for this contest have all spanned at least a decade. I get an idea, get into the story, and significant events from the characters' lives come to me and I want to include then. My stories have been: event(s)...fast forward...event(s)...fast forward...event(s)... well, you get the picture I suppose some of the information could be relayed through flashback, but I think that too many flashbacks isn't the best choice either. Maybe I just need to axe some of it. The good news is that all three stories are projects that I plan to expand, so I hope this issue will at least partly go away when I'm not limited by a word count. Still, I want to do well in the competition, and it is something that the judges have pointed out, so I'd love to hear what other writers think. Thanks!
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fsenese
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Posted: 26 Mar 2015 at 10:53am |
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The story has to fit with your word count. I saw a flash once that recounted an entire lifetime in under a thousand words, in a series of lightning-flashes, and it was awesome. And check out Hemingway's "A Very Short Story" for more of that. Years pass in two pages, and it works.
But that's not what you wanted to do with your story. You were world-building, and that's tough to do in under 2500 words. You don't have the room for a lot of scenes on top of that. A flashback requires a trigger scene or event, too, and then something that eases the reader back into the present, and that can really eat a lot of words if you're not careful. It can be too much. I'd say three scenes are pushing it for 2500 words; two scenes are better, and one scene can be great, if it's a complex scene. You get at most ONE flashback in a story of this length. These aren't rules. As Captain Barbossa says, they're more what you'd call "guidelines." I do everything I can to avoid flashbacks, but sometimes they're necessary. One trick is to have a memory framed by or inserted directly into a current conversation, but I've discovered the hard way that's a very risky thing to do, and I will avoid it at all costs in the future. Obviously what's essential is that you transition in and out of the flashback as smoothly, clearly, and quickly as possible, without losing the reader. Check out that Raymond Carver book we were chatting about the other day---HE'S DOING IT RIGHT for this story length. Edited by fsenese - 26 Mar 2015 at 11:21am |
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MichelleK
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Posted: 26 Mar 2015 at 11:18am |
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Thanks, fsense.
It's always good to learn from those who have done what you are trying to do and have done it well.
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mrjaywilson
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Posted: 26 Mar 2015 at 12:29pm |
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Sometimes,
you just need the background in a story. Sometimes, there's no way around it. Most
times, you don't need it, though. Trying to decide which is which is the hard
part. Does the reader really need to know something? Depends on how much of an
impact that idea has on the story and if it really matters at all.
I don't
like a lot of back-story (or too much world building) in short stories
(especially at the beginning). When writers do it, I feel like they're dragging
me through that muddy swamp from The Neverending Story. Typically, the only
writers that can get away with this are well-established writers where you know
you're going to get something good at the end, so you suffer through it. Even
then, it's not all that fun to read (in my opinion).
The
general rule of short story telling is to start the story as close to the end
as possible. If you really believe you have to start in the 1800s when the
story actually takes place in 2015, then it's not really a short story.
Short
story: a story with a fully developed theme but significantly shorter and
--->less elaborate<--- than a novel.
A lot of
people forget that you don't really have to build and entire world when writing
science fiction or fantasy. You simply have convey just enough information to
let the reader know they aren't supposed to think of it as their world. Short
stories are supposed to be quick entertainment, so adding a bunch of back-story
and world building doesn't usually help with that.
Most of
the time when I see short stories with world building, the whole thing can be
summed into one succinct paragraph or, better yet, peppered cleverly throughout
the story. Writers have to think about the story and less about how cool an
idea is and how much they want the reader to experience it. Any writer that can
do that can survive a science fiction or fantasy short story with ease.
So, how do
you pepper it throughout? By making absolutely every word count. Showing how
something is different without telling the reader it’s different. People live
on Earth. Here. They know how our world works. This means they know when you’re
twisting what they know and turning it into a different world. They often don’t
need to know why something is different, only be convinced that it is a
difference. Mad props to any clever writer than can bamboozle the reader into
thinking they know a world without having actually read anything about it. One
that created the world, and then the narrator makes the reader feel like a part
of the story, as if they’d been living in that world this whole time but never
wrote anything about it. . I think the
best way to learn to do that is to write a bunch of 500 word short stories, and
force yourself to relay information to the readers without doing any back-story.
Write 10 or 20 or 50 pages of back story and world-building. Then, start
writing little independent stories (force yourself to do them no bigger than
500 words) that draw from that back-story, but can be understood without the
reader reading your back-story. Practice that and learn the difference between
info-dumping and carefully selected prose. I guarantee that after a couple of
months of daily 500-word SF/F stories, you’ll be able craft amazing SF/F shorts
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MichelleK
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Posted: 26 Mar 2015 at 1:06pm |
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Good points, mrjaywilson.
I think 500 word stories sounds like a good exercise.
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Posted: 26 Mar 2015 at 2:39pm |
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I agree with everything Fsenese and mrjaywilson said.
After nine rounds in NYCM, these have become my main "guidelines" for writing stories under 2,500 words: 1) Choose one main "event" and focus the story around that. Ex: spreading a killer virus, having a (specific) confrontation, boarding an airplane, being attacked, etc. 2) Don't time/scene hop more than twice. Honestly, I try not to hop around at all. The narrower my focus, the deeper I can go into the plot and characters. (Jay said it best about starting the story as close to the end as possible--that's perfect, in my opinion). 3) Don't use more than four named characters. After four, it becomes confusing. 4) If it doesn't add to the story or push it forward, chop it! Again, these are my personal guidelines. They won't apply to everyone since we all have our own styles. But, overall, I've found they work well.
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Posted: 26 Mar 2015 at 2:59pm |
I completely forgot about #3, good call there Jen. That's a really big one. As for choosing one big main even and keeping it narrow, consider reading Jen's R1 horror. She did a really good job having a huge idea contained in such a short span of time, slowly releasing info as needed about the world as it changes so the reader doesn't get Info-Dump Syndrome. The writer equivalent of IBS. lol
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Posted: 26 Mar 2015 at 3:07pm |
Unless it's a comedy! A lot of characters in a short space in comedy makes for some great dialogue :3 |
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MichelleK
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Posted: 26 Mar 2015 at 3:19pm |
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A lot of good suggestions. I have read Jenna's Round 1 and concur that she did it very well!
Maybe some of my ideas just haven't been right for the contest. It usually takes me a while before I get one that I am excited enough about to actually start writing, so I tend to not want to start over when the story starts to get too big. It's all learning, I suppose, and I'm happy that these contests have given me stories and characters that I wouldn't have had without them.
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Posted: 26 Mar 2015 at 3:39pm |
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@mrjaywilson: Thanks! I really appreciate that
![]() @yttrus: You're right! Thinking about it, my political satire last fall had more characters than my "guidelines" allow for...It must be a comedy thing, hahaha @Michelle: Your ideas are great! But, rather than taking the "novel" approach to them ("This happens, and then this, and then this..."), take the short story approach ("This happens."). Ex: In your R2 story: Fast forward so it begins with Katie at the university. Start with her hiding her artwork from Brett when he arrives to walk to class with her, and end it with her learning the truth about the shot everyone received...Really, the whole story could take place in the span of one hour...Hope that all made sense, lol. |
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