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MY friend, take it with a grain of salt. 

Do you think every single well-known author out there doesnt have a single rejection letter? Or that every person in the world loves Harry Potter or American Gods? 
Some people wont like your work, and many won't see the potential in it. 

This is just one competition. And sometimes, it does depend on the prompts your given and what you're comfortable writing. 
But not everything you write will be gold. 
Neil Gaiman says he has stories hidden in a box that will never see the light of day. Some are really bad, and some are just ones that he enjoys that no one else does. 

So just because you didn't make this round of the competition, doesn't mean you aren't a good writer. Just like getting a rejection doesn't mean you'll never publish. 

YOU decide when you don't want to write anymore, when you don't feel the same magic or you no longer have ideas. 
But don't let the world decide for you. :)

(Also, my feedback said my comedy was a little too dark for the judges. Obviously, they are not fans of Rick and Morty.) 


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Originally posted by chrissie0707 chrissie0707 wrote:

Originally posted by MattrickBT MattrickBT wrote:

A fan fiction writer edged me out of the finals?







Since you edited this, should I make sure everyone knows that you also said "I actually feel insulted now"?


I edited because it was superfluous.
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Originally posted by Megaru_Blue Megaru_Blue wrote:

Hello, MattrickBT--

You don't seem like the sort of fellow to benefit at ALL from any sort of feedback, but I'm going to provide some anyway. Perhaps you'll read it, perhaps you won't; however, you've left me little choice but to speak up, given your frankly breathtaking arrogance and assholery.


I definitely benefit from feedback.

Quote So first, let's talk about human decency:

Hundreds of people, from all backgrounds, walks of life, and geographical locations, join this competition to have fun, receive feedback, grow in their writing, and maybe win some money. No matter your reasons for being here, no matter your skill level, this is a welcoming place. Or at least it should be. Have a little respect for your fellow writers, will you?


Having respect for fellow writers and having respect for fan fiction writers are two different things.

Quote Second, let's talk about competition:

Competition is inherently a difficult thing. Someone wins, someone loses, and it never feels good for the loser. It's even harder when it's a competition for something like writing, which can be highly subjective by nature. So yeah, we all get that you're disappointed in your loss. But insulting folks who scored higher than you is juvenile and boorish.


It's only insulting if you feel writing fan fiction is an insult.

Quote Third, let's talk about fan fiction:

You know what the difference is between a published writer and a fan fiction writer? Subject matter. That is LITERALLY ALL. A fan fiction writer cannot publish their work for profit because the subject is "already taken," because they're playing in someone else's sandbox. That is not in any way a reflection of their talent, skill, or creativity. Some of the best fiction I've EVER read--and I'm a voracious reader--has been fan fiction. To wholesale insult literally MILLIONS of people who write fan fiction--many of whom are far better writers than you OR me--is honestly one of the most insanely stupid things I've ever seen. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
Source: I am a fan fiction writer who is also a published author. Since you are apparently neither of those things, I fail to see where you get off acting like you know anything about either one.


Yes, that's literally all. Because subject matter is the only thing that is different. Fan fiction is utterly dependent on a lack of originality. It's not the writers world. The people inhabiting it are not the writer's creations. They are merely bastardizing the creations of someone else and making it their own. That's pathetic. There is fan fiction writing, and then there is writing. They are not the same thing. So what if I insult millions of people writing fan fiction? I take the effort to write wholly original works and I do not respect a 'writer' who doesn't do this. Just because millions of people do something doesn't mean I have to like it, accept it, or respect it.

I don't really believe people when they say they are a 'published author' on these forums. If you didn't write a traditionally published novel, or get a short story published in a respectable publication, then you're really stretching what it means to a published author. Getting selected from some online, self-published anthology doesn't count. So are you a published author or a "published" author?

Quote Fourth, let's talk about talent:

Writing talent is subjective, we mentioned that above. But there are certain elements of a writer's style and skill that are universal; descriptiveness, creativity, inspiration, grammar usage, etc. Clearly, on those particulars, three people in your heat were better than you. That's still a respectable showing, but to be perfectly honest, you're ruining everyone's appreciation of your work with your horrific attitude and your nasty hostility toward the winners of this round. Perhaps instead of insulting everyone, you should take a look at your work and see where it can be improved--because no matter HOW good you are, there's ALWAYS room for improvement.

tl;dr -- Be a decent human, stop being a sore loser, insulting millions of talented folks is a terrible idea, and spend more time looking at your work instead of trying to cut down those who beat you fair and square.


Three people in my heat were not better than me. As I predicted, one of the judges was a f**king moron and it was demonstrated in the feedback, and this is what cost me. It's not a respectable showing because I wrote a better story. And sure, there is definitely room to improve my story, but that doesn't mean my story wasn't better as it existed. Two of the judges obviously understood my story and their criticisms thus bear weight. The third judge was a literal moron and didn't understand my story, not because it wasn't easy to understand, but because they were a moron.

If I was beat by stories I felt were damn good or because I knew I dropped the ball, as I did in the FFC because I'd never written anything so short, I'd have no issue in losing, or in not finishing first...I've not been upset about either with the three stories I've submitted to these contests. It's not about being a sore loser, it's about being screwed out of what is deservedly mine. And you can call that brash. You can call that arrogance. You can call that delusion. You can call that delusion. But I call it fact.


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Originally posted by MattrickBT MattrickBT wrote:



Having respect for fellow writers and having respect for fan fiction writers are two different things.

It's only insulting if you feel writing fan fiction is an insult.

Yes, that's literally all. Because subject matter is the only thing that is different. Fan fiction is utterly dependent on a lack of originality. It's not the writers world. The people inhabiting it are not the writer's creations. They are merely bastardizing the creations of someone else and making it their own. That's pathetic. There is fan fiction writing, and then there is writing. They are not the same thing. So what if I insult millions of people writing fan fiction? I take the effort to write wholly original works and I do not respect a 'writer' who doesn't do this. Just because millions of people do something doesn't mean I have to like it, accept it, or respect it.

I don't really believe people when they say they are a 'published author' on these forums. If you didn't write a traditionally published novel, or get a short story published in a respectable publication, then you're really stretching what it means to a published author. Getting selected from some online, self-published anthology doesn't count. So are you a published author or a "published" author?


Three people in my heat were not better than me. As I predicted, one of the judges was a f**king moron and it was demonstrated in the feedback, and this is what cost me. It's not a respectable showing because I wrote a better story. And sure, there is definitely room to improve my story, but that doesn't mean my story wasn't better as it existed. Two of the judges obviously understood my story and their criticisms thus bear weight. The third judge was a literal moron and didn't understand my story, not because it wasn't easy to understand, but because they were a moron.

If I was beat by stories I felt were damn good or because I knew I dropped the ball, as I did in the FFC because I'd never written anything so short, I'd have no issue in losing, or in not finishing first...I've not been upset about either with the three stories I've submitted to these contests. It's not about being a sore loser, it's about being screwed out of what is deservedly mine. And you can call that brash. You can call that arrogance. You can call that delusion. You can call that delusion. But I call it fact.




Did you read all three stories that moved on? Because two of them were not posted in the forum, so I'm assuming that you have a personal relationship with the two writers, which allowed you to get their story and read it. I'm not even going to say they were "better," because as has been stated several timed in several threads, writing is subjective. I'll say they were "more successful, given the challenges and constraints of the competition." And I'm not even talking about my own story anymore, just the two that placed higher than both of ours. They were more successful, given the challenges and constraints of the competition, than both of ours.

Beyond that, I'm pretty much done engaging with you now. Good luck in the Flash Fiction Challenge. I registered today.

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lol u suk.
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If anybody feels this competition is beneath them, by all means, several of us can show you the metaphorical door.

I say congrats to those who scored higher than I, and good luck to the other 74 writers in this final round.

In a little over a day, we're about to create new people who don't exist right now in worlds that we've never been to.  If that isn't enough to have anyone enjoy a competition like this, then don't be a part of it.  Simple.  
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Originally posted by angelagilbert angelagilbert wrote:

If anybody feels this competition is beneath them, by all means, several of us can show you the metaphorical door.

I say congrats to those who scored higher than I, and good luck to the other 74 writers in this final round.

In a little over a day, we're about to create new people who don't exist right now in worlds that we've never been to.  If that isn't enough to have anyone enjoy a competition like this, then don't be a part of it.  Simple.  


A-freaking-men. Love this.
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Yea sorry if I created a platform for some people to rant - that was never my intention. I still haven’t gotten any judge feedback which makes me worry I really bit it hard. A big thanks to all of you who gave kind words - I’m feeling a lot better even if I didn’t advance.

One final note - I was recently at a reading with Brian Evenson who is an amazing literary writer and academic. I hadn’t realized it but for extra cash he writes essentially fan fic novels for video game tie-ins. His advice to new writers is to work on your own stuff first, but once you’re established never turn up your nose at ghost writing or fan novels because they can help pay the bills. 

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Originally posted by Jdeweese Jdeweese wrote:

Yea sorry if I created a platform for some people to rant - that was never my intention. I still haven’t gotten any judge feedback which makes me worry I really bit it hard. A big thanks to all of you who gave kind words - I’m feeling a lot better even if I didn’t advance.

Judge feedback emails are sent in waves. Timing doesn't reflect the content of the email or the quality of the story. Yours is probably coming soon, stuck in spam, or it wasn't sent due to a clerical error. In that case you can email NYCM and they'll look into it.

Congrats on getting to round 2 and for doing this crazy thing. You'e already better than you used to be just by virtue of showing up. I really believe that.
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Originally posted by MattrickBT MattrickBT wrote:

 
Fan fiction is utterly dependent on a lack of originality.

 
"I don't rate fan fiction" says man who spends half of his posts pretending to be a fictional character LOL
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