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Originally posted by Lord Xoon Lord Xoon wrote:

My one complaint is that usually in the "Things that need work" I always get "You could have spent more time fleshing out ______ issue".

Well, I would have if I had another 500 words to play with. Lol.


Any time I see that specific type of feedback I immediately dismiss it (or file it away if I'm planning on writing an expanded piece) UNLESS it is phrased as: 

"Section B right here could be pared down - it's a little wordy/doesn't further your story and would leave you room to expand Thing C which seems more critical to the plot/character dev/whatever."
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Originally posted by nod1v1ng nod1v1ng wrote:

Originally posted by Lord Xoon Lord Xoon wrote:

My one complaint is that usually in the "Things that need work" I always get "You could have spent more time fleshing out ______ issue".

Well, I would have if I had another 500 words to play with. Lol.



Any time I see that specific type of feedback I immediately dismiss it (or file it away if I'm planning on writing an expanded piece) UNLESS it is phrased as: 

"Section B right here could be pared down - it's a little wordy/doesn't further your story and would leave you room to expand Thing C which seems more critical to the plot/character dev/whatever."


I tend to agree, but I suppose the only counter to this argument is - have we chosen a story that is fundamentally too much / too difficult to tell in 1,000 words? So it's not the telling of the tale that is the problem, but the ambition at the start.

I do get why the "flesh x out more" argument is frustrating, and I had this feedback from one judge myself this time around - but it also made me think: is the scope of the tale too wide to be adequately told as well as it could be in 1,000 words? Certainly yours this round I would say was a good example of telling a tight, concise story with only a couple of (important) characters in a single setting. The challenge I guess comes with some of the genres - mystery, caper, action/adventure etc - where doing that is incredibly difficult. I don't know, I'm learning as I go, but I do find the "art" of short story telling very interesting indeed.
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Originally posted by rossinny rossinny wrote:

 
I tend to agree, but I suppose the only counter to this argument is - have we chosen a story that is fundamentally too much / too difficult to tell in 1,000 words?  

Fair - but in this scenario better feedback is "I think you're trying to tell too big of a story for the word count" not "I need to see more of Thing 3." 

It's very true that telling a complete story in Flash is an art (and believe me I've offered up my fair share of you-arc-is-too-big stories.) But I'm trying to define what's valuable feedback that would help us improve that art, over technically correct feedback that a writer can't really utilize & learn from. 'Cause that's the point, right? Big smile
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You definitely have to have a sense of how much story to bite off with these ff contests.

However, I would argue that you can ALWAYS make a 1000-word story better with a few more hundred words. In other words, there is no perfect 1000-word story. It's just not enough to develop everything that needs developing even in the most minimalist of concepts.


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I felt that way about my comments on the fact that people wanted to see the competitive trials that my unicorn MC went through to win the position with the princess. I was rather glad people thought I just didn't have room, rather than that I had not the faintest clue what those trials actually would have been. LOL
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Originally posted by TheDustyZebra TheDustyZebra wrote:

I felt that way about my comments on the fact that people wanted to see the competitive trials that my unicorn MC went through to win the position with the princess. I was rather glad people thought I just didn't have room, rather than that I had not the faintest clue what those trials actually would have been. LOL


HA! 

<Mumbling around my foot-in-mouth>  I think I was one of those people who wanted to see the trials, but I'm pretty sure I added the caveat "in a longer version" Wink
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Originally posted by TheDustyZebra TheDustyZebra wrote:



WHAT THE JUDGES FEEL NEEDS WORK - 


{1610}  ~ You don't need to announce your synopsis or logline per se; as long as it is on the cover page and beneath the title it will be clear what it is.


I just read the exact comment about loglines in someone else's feedback. I think it was "Sir Simon." Though the judge went into greater detail here.
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Originally posted by nod1v1ng nod1v1ng wrote:

Originally posted by TheDustyZebra TheDustyZebra wrote:

I felt that way about my comments on the fact that people wanted to see the competitive trials that my unicorn MC went through to win the position with the princess. I was rather glad people thought I just didn't have room, rather than that I had not the faintest clue what those trials actually would have been. LOL


HA! 

<Mumbling around my foot-in-mouth>  I think I was one of those people who wanted to see the trials, but I'm pretty sure I added the caveat "in a longer version" Wink

I'm sure you did. LOL 

It's actually why I've been dithering about reworking the piece, even though I need to get it going to submit somewhere -- my brain cramps up at trying to think of the substance of those trials without *completely* plagiarizing Piers Anthony. Ah, well, at least I have this weekend where I don't have to feel guilty about ignoring the unicorn story.
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I got nice judges' comments. No deep critical dives, or anything.  My feedback:

WHAT THE JUDGES LIKED ABOUT YOUR STORY - {1794}  I enjoyed the tongue-in-cheek tone that this piece had. I think that it counts as "Romance" but also as "Comedy" or "Satire".   {1611}  I laughed out loud more than once. What a compelling idea. Who knew that tropes and cliches could make for such an engaging read.   {1589}  Love the names.  Very funny.  WHAT THE JUDGES FEEL NEEDS WORK - {1794}  You fit a lot of plot points into this small story. I would like to see fewer plot points in exchange for more fleshed out scenes.   {1611}  I really don't know how to critique this. What I will say is, "'He’s not the sort of person I pictured you with,' Esteban said, glumly." was the only line that felt like it wasn't over-written enough:)  {1589}  This reads more like romantic comedy. It's a great spoof.


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Originally posted by Lord Xoon Lord Xoon wrote:


In other words, there is no perfect 1000-word story.



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Edited by rossinny - 14 Sep 2018 at 4:08pm
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