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    Posted: 06 Dec 2019 at 10:16am
I received this feedback in my needs work section.  I am wondering if this
is something I should listen to or not - one judges tonic may be another's
poison.  I have never been told this by anyone before, and as I am not very
rules literate, I ask.  Or some of these more screenplay specific?


{1610}  ~ Loglines, like Titles, benefit from capitalizations for emphasis.

Suggested Edit:

"A Battle for the World rages. The outcome​ hinges on the Scheming of one Sorcerer."

~ And yet, this is misleading since the outcome hinged on the machinations of his Apprentice, of General Rocktosh and of the vengeful Fairy, Tillia.

~ Some words are better capitalized because they are Archetypal, others because they are germane to Genre, and still others because they are pertinent to your particular Plot.

In your Tale, I recommend you capitalize:

Castle Keep, Mirror, Battlefield, Sorcerers, Gnomes, Warriors, & Spells.

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Originally posted by Suave Suave wrote:

I received this feedback in my needs work section.  I am wondering if this
is something I should listen to or not - one judges tonic may be another's
poison.  I have never been told this by anyone before, and as I am not very
rules literate, I ask.  Or some of these more screenplay specific?


{1610}  ~ Loglines, like Titles, benefit from capitalizations for emphasis.

Suggested Edit:

"A Battle for the World rages. The outcome​ hinges on the Scheming of one Sorcerer."

~ And yet, this is misleading since the outcome hinged on the machinations of his Apprentice, of General Rocktosh and of the vengeful Fairy, Tillia.

~ Some words are better capitalized because they are Archetypal, others because they are germane to Genre, and still others because they are pertinent to your particular Plot.

In your Tale, I recommend you capitalize:

Castle Keep, Mirror, Battlefield, Sorcerers, Gnomes, Warriors, & Spells.


I read a LOT of screenplays and I never see this. If anything, every letter is capitalized in important words or emphasized words (we discussed this back when you reviewed my screenplay suave). I think this is pretty pointless critique imo. It can be useful sometimes in some fiction I've read, but I think what they're asking here is a bit overboard. 
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God no. This might be the rule in this person's world, or certain publishers', but it's definitely not my style. Sorry, "Style". Urgh. And they've chosen words seemingly at random -- why is scheming capitalised?? Because it's plot?? But... what about ALL of the plot, is every verb capitalised too? And "Tale"! 

Madness. 

And for screenplays... does it matter?! The screenplay is a plan for a visual medium, one in which -- thankfully -- viewers aren't subjected to this nonsense. If anything, it interrupts the natural rhythm of reading and slows flow. 

Capitalisation of WHOLE WORDS that you want to enhance ATTENTION, I'm all for. But this is a note I'd personally thank and put aside. 
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I had that same judge (SAME NUMBER!) tell me that same thing for my microfiction!

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~ Some words are better capitalized because they are Archetypal, others because they are germane to Genre, and still others because they are pertinent to your particular Plot.

In your​ Tale, I recommend that you capitalize the following: Mystic, King, Queen, Princess, Royal Council, Plague, Throne, Sentry, & Silence.

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I can't get over this. 

"He sat on the Throne".

NO. HE DID NOT. 

Thrones and castles are germane to real life too, but we only capitalise them if they're a proper noun, i.e. named: That palace in London is called Buckingham Palace. 

I need to step away from this site LOL
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Originally posted by beckyrcollins beckyrcollins wrote:

God no. This might be the rule in this person's world, or certain publishers', but it's definitely not my style. Sorry, "Style". Urgh. And they've chosen words seemingly at random -- why is scheming capitalised?? Because it's plot?? But... what about ALL of the plot, is every verb capitalised too? And "Tale"! 

Madness. 

And for screenplays... does it matter?! The screenplay is a plan for a visual medium, one in which -- thankfully -- viewers aren't subjected to this nonsense. If anything, it interrupts the natural rhythm of reading and slows flow. 

Capitalisation of WHOLE WORDS that you want to enhance ATTENTION, I'm all for. But this is a note I'd personally thank and put aside. 

PREACH!!!  My mom got this same feedback, to capitalize "totally not random" words.... I have never, ever seen that in a screenplay.  In an Emily Dickinson poem (cool) or someone's Facebook status (cringe), sure.  I don't know where that judge is getting that from... but I doubt it's from reading copious amounts of screenplays :P
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Originally posted by MissKeister MissKeister wrote:

Originally posted by beckyrcollins beckyrcollins wrote:

God no. This might be the rule in this person's world, or certain publishers', but it's definitely not my style. Sorry, "Style". Urgh. And they've chosen words seemingly at random -- why is scheming capitalised?? Because it's plot?? But... what about ALL of the plot, is every verb capitalised too? And "Tale"! 

Madness. 

And for screenplays... does it matter?! The screenplay is a plan for a visual medium, one in which -- thankfully -- viewers aren't subjected to this nonsense. If anything, it interrupts the natural rhythm of reading and slows flow. 

Capitalisation of WHOLE WORDS that you want to enhance ATTENTION, I'm all for. But this is a note I'd personally thank and put aside. 

PREACH!!!  My mom got this same feedback, to capitalize "totally not random" words.... I have never, ever seen that in a screenplay.  In an Emily Dickinson poem (cool) or someone's Facebook status (cringe), sure.  I don't know where that judge is getting that from... but I doubt it's from reading copious amounts of screenplays :P

Folks, please report this feedback. Please. NYCM is giving us the opportunity to improve our overall experience here. Judge comments on the logline and what should be capitalized is total crap. This tells me that, for the people who have this judge, those with a better logline get a better score. Which is NOT the intent of this contest. This particular judge always comments on the loglines and just about nothing else, every single time. And that's just not cool.

We need to let the organizers know the judges who give us value and those who don't.
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Originally posted by pash pash wrote:

Originally posted by Suave Suave wrote:

I received this feedback in my needs work section.  I am wondering if this
is something I should listen to or not - one judges tonic may be another's
poison.  I have never been told this by anyone before, and as I am not very
rules literate, I ask.  Or some of these more screenplay specific?


{1610}  ~ Loglines, like Titles, benefit from capitalizations for emphasis.

Suggested Edit:

"A Battle for the World rages. The outcome​ hinges on the Scheming of one Sorcerer."

~ And yet, this is misleading since the outcome hinged on the machinations of his Apprentice, of General Rocktosh and of the vengeful Fairy, Tillia.

~ Some words are better capitalized because they are Archetypal, others because they are germane to Genre, and still others because they are pertinent to your particular Plot.

In your Tale, I recommend you capitalize:

Castle Keep, Mirror, Battlefield, Sorcerers, Gnomes, Warriors, & Spells.


I read a LOT of screenplays and I never see this. If anything, every letter is capitalized in important words or emphasized words (we discussed this back when you reviewed my screenplay suave). I think this is pretty pointless critique imo. It can be useful sometimes in some fiction I've read, but I think what they're asking here is a bit overboard. 

This judge has a real hang-up about loglines and capitals and stuff. I got a comment from 1610 about my logline too, and nothing about capitalisation, but I DID get a sizeable bit of feedback on numerology....!! I mean, yeah, ok, semiotics, but as a salient point? 

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Originally posted by lisafox10800 lisafox10800 wrote:


Folks, please report this feedback. Please. NYCM is giving us the opportunity to improve our overall experience here. Judge comments on the logline and what should be capitalized is total crap. This tells me that, for the people who have this judge, those with a better logline get a better score. Which is NOT the intent of this contest. This particular judge always comments on the loglines and just about nothing else, every single time. And that's just not cool.

We need to let the organizers know the judges who give us value and those who don't.


And the other side of the coin; "there's little to find fault with here".  The most scathing criticism was 'I really want to know more about this world'.

Not really useful when compared with the results.  I'd almost rather get something inane.




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On the flip side, some of the best feedback I have ever gotten is from this judge. I always take logline comments as "there is really nothing wrong with your story so here is a minor detail." I assume they don't mark us off for loglines.

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