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Originally posted by orion323 orion323 wrote:

The US appropriated it (like a lot of things) and ironically named the government as the final arbiter of when/how to get involved in the notion of free speech.
Besides ..... I'm Australian so the US Constitution means diddly squat to this entitled ego.
Now, I'm off this very entertaining and enjoyable wordy thread for a while - got a few stories to review.  It's all about the stories.  I thought I might work my way through the writers of the posts on this thread - it's a system. 
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Originally posted by orion323 orion323 wrote:

Again risking the inevitable loss of NYC Newbie one star status, and for what it's worth (knowing guiltily I am once again resuscitating this thread that clearly has a DNR) technically free speech is a concept that originated in ancient Greece that was called parrhesia.  It translates loosely as "to say everything" or rather to express whatever is on one's mind truthfully.
The US appropriated it (like a lot of things) and ironically named the government as the final arbiter of when/how to get involved in the notion of free speech.
So basically as originally intended, I think you are spot on.
Forgive the nerdy diatribe.  My dusty, moth-eaten Philosophy degrees are virtually useless until/unless occasions such as these arise.


Interesting Orion323, and a bit of ancient history I didn't know about.

I would also offer that there might be a third form of 'free speech' after one has shaken off the authoritarian constructs of language and law, and that is the 'spirit of free speech' not written down for quotation anywhere, but a simpler leveler with a nod toward all.
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The nature of the competition makes me hesitant to write detailed critiques. Given the requirements and the time constraints, we all basically got dressed in a hurry in the dark and put our makeup on in the car (or whatever the male equivalent of that is). So when we post our stories and say, "How do I look," unless somebody's creative fly is open, it's hard not to just smile and say "Fine, you might just want to fix your tie, though" (or whatever the female equivalent of that is).

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2019 Short Story Challenge, Group 141 (Comedy/A Secret Weapon/A School Principal): Read my 1st Round story titled Truth Will Out
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Originally posted by sslubliner sslubliner wrote:

The nature of the competition makes me hesitant to write detailed critiques. Given the requirements and the time constraints, we all basically got dressed in a hurry in the dark and put our makeup on in the car (or whatever the male equivalent of that is). So when we post our stories and say, "How do I look," unless somebody's creative fly is open, it's hard not to just smile and say "Fine, you might just want to fix your tie, though" (or whatever the female equivalent of that is).

LOLLOLLOLLOL
Love this, very well said! Sums up this competition perfectly (in my humble opinion). And applies even more so for the flash fiction comp.
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Wow, did I miss a lot yesterday! 


@orion-love it when you talk so purdy but in the US the constitution granted the free speech status and the Courts interpret the limitations of it. While they are a branch of the government, they are not the government as a whole, just as our, ah-hem, “executive-in-chief” is not the entire government (despite what he might think)

@jingle bells- would love 💕 to know more Australia’s individual rights-can you send me a PM that sets me in the right direction?

@sslubliner- I think with women the equivalent to check your tie might be check your lipstick 💄 especially since many women tend to wear it on their teeth. 

We probably didn’t need this post, but darn it y’all had so much fun without me yesterday that I just had to chime in. 
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Well Sooty, I hope you brought some tombstones and a shovel.

At the risk of garnering more ire, by opening this up again...  I feel the necessity to come back here to address a landslide of private messages, instead of just firmly walking away.

It seems that now, there are many people who fear the idea that there might be some kind of 'subterranean group' prowling the hallowed halls of the forum prepared to pounce if their 'groupspeak' isn't adhered to. The result of this has a host of writers afraid to come back to the forums to speak at all. I can say that with some authority as my inbox just closed up on me.

What I can say to you all as a group is that to the best of my knowledge (and I've been here a long time) is that if you pull back the green curtain, you'll find nothing there, despite certain claims that seem to have inferred otherwise.
As it should be.

So please. PLEASE. Don't be afraid. Speak your piece whenever you chose. Wherever you chose.

Nobody here owns the conscience of this forum.  The conscience exists in a "we" not a "they". There will always be people who disagree with us, and people who agree with us as well, even if we don't know they're there.

There will always be 'groups' that think alike, that either agree or disagree too... but that doesn't make any of us unequal. Being in a collective that agrees can sometimes morph into thinking that the group should prevail over all.  I've been part of that myself, at times and mostly I've regretted it later, though not always.


Basically what I'm trying to say is that whatever the feedback or the kickback, or the blow-back, whatever your perception, even if it be correct... don't let it silence you. Don't let your fear of anyone's opinion keep you from speaking out, no matter how belligerent or even offensive they might be, or allow yourself to be bullied into submission. We can often agree to disagree at the very least.

None of us needs anyone's approval, even though sometimes it feels nice. Even if no one agrees with you at all it doesn't make you any less valuable to the group as a functioning unit, it just makes you even more unique. And deep down, whether we admit it or not, we all love unicorns! They make us question our own perceptions of reality.

If we can't be true to ourselves, we're missing a big happy chunk of this crazy thing we call life. So kick your fear in the *ss and

BE BRAVE! BE KIND! And may peace prevail.

Thank you, and goodnight.

(Steps down from soap box)






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Blame me if you must.  

But you, Tops, make me want to ask one quick question -- are you saying that this forum has a semblance toward REAL LIFE - (gasp!) in that we should let people have their turn to speak, treat people with respect, and treat people how we want to be treated stuff and all that jazz?  You know, the stuff we learned in Kindergarten, that sort of thing?  

For the record, only one person wrote to me, but his message was a dandy!  blowing a kiss to you dawlin!  You know who you are!  
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Blame is for suckers.

Forgiveness is the key.

And Soot,
You pretty much nut-shelled my whole point,
but then, you have always had the ability to hone into few words
what it takes me 500 to say.
So Bravo!

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