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    Posted: 12 Nov 2018 at 11:49pm
What do you guys think of this pep talk? It's for week 2 of NaNoWriMo. Do you all agree with it? Disagree? I think it's horrible. It seemed very negative to me and gloom-and-doom. 





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Geez, Justina. Way to harsh a buzz.
Seriously, where was the pep in that pep talk?


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I...didn't totally hate it. (Though it did cause me to click on her website purely to judge the content.)

I do like Dorothy Parker's summation better:
"I hate writing. I love having written."
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I didn’t hate it either.

Writing doesn’t always suck, but writing well does always suck (for me anyway). I did not like cutting 400 words out of my story this weekend, but it helped me learn to be discerning. I did not like going to sleep at 2 am on Fri and Sat nights, but it helped me learn to manage my time better. And I especially did not like submitting something I’m not in love with, but it helped me realize that not everything is going to be a winner.

I saw Charlie Kaufman at a writers’ panel once and he described his writing process as follows (paraphrased): “I wake up and write utter garbage. Then I add some disgusting filth, then I have lunch. Then I write the worst sh*t anyone has ever seen or could imagine. Then I write more garbage. Then I eat dinner and go to sleep hating myself worse than I did yesterday.”

It resonated with me so much. I’m never harder on myself than when I’m writing - but I’m never happier than when I’ve written something I’m proud of.
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Originally posted by hanalyst hanalyst wrote:

I...didn't totally hate it. (Though it did cause me to click on her website purely to judge the content.)

I do like Dorothy Parker's summation better:
"I hate writing. I love having written."

This. I have this posted above my computer. Writing is HARD. I love it, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t a little like self-inflicted torture. :P
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I feel like it had a good point, but was perhaps not delivered as well as it could have been. Although stuff like that I guess is hard to deliver ‘well’ without sugarcoating it. Probably not really peppy enough for a pep talk though, I agree.
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Hahaa. I really loved this pep talk. 

I do think that Writing Well does usually have some element of suckage.

Sorta how I imagine really intense workouts for athletes always suck. You might get some pleasure from it, and love the end result, but there’s a sacrifice of effort and often pain.

You do it (at least I do it) anyway. 

Different peps for different people, I guess! :)
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Originally posted by manifestlynot manifestlynot wrote:

I didn’t hate it either.

Writing doesn’t always suck, but writing well does always suck (for me anyway). I did not like cutting 400 words out of my story this weekend, but it helped me learn to be discerning. I did not like going to sleep at 2 am on Fri and Sat nights, but it helped me learn to manage my time better. And I especially did not like submitting something I’m not in love with, but it helped me realize that not everything is going to be a winner.

I saw Charlie Kaufman at a writers’ panel once and he described his writing process as follows (paraphrased): “I wake up and write utter garbage. Then I add some disgusting filth, then I have lunch. Then I write the worst sh*t anyone has ever seen or could imagine. Then I write more garbage. Then I eat dinner and go to sleep hating myself worse than I did yesterday.”

It resonated with me so much. I’m never harder on myself than when I’m writing - but I’m never happier than when I’ve written something I’m proud of.
You absolutely nail the writing journey - couldn't agree with you more!
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Originally posted by SLK43 SLK43 wrote:

Originally posted by manifestlynot manifestlynot wrote:

I didn’t hate it either.

Writing doesn’t always suck, but writing well does always suck (for me anyway). I did not like cutting 400 words out of my story this weekend, but it helped me learn to be discerning. I did not like going to sleep at 2 am on Fri and Sat nights, but it helped me learn to manage my time better. And I especially did not like submitting something I’m not in love with, but it helped me realize that not everything is going to be a winner.

I saw Charlie Kaufman at a writers’ panel once and he described his writing process as follows (paraphrased): “I wake up and write utter garbage. Then I add some disgusting filth, then I have lunch. Then I write the worst sh*t anyone has ever seen or could imagine. Then I write more garbage. Then I eat dinner and go to sleep hating myself worse than I did yesterday.”

It resonated with me so much. I’m never harder on myself than when I’m writing - but I’m never happier than when I’ve written something I’m proud of.
You absolutely nail the writing journey - couldn't agree with you more!

^^ I am so glad I'm not alone in this. Each contest weekend, I leave my husband scratching his head, saying "but I thought you LIKED doing this?" LOL
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Originally posted by lisafox10800 lisafox10800 wrote:

Originally posted by SLK43 SLK43 wrote:

Originally posted by manifestlynot manifestlynot wrote:

I didn’t hate it either.

Writing doesn’t always suck, but writing well does always suck (for me anyway). I did not like cutting 400 words out of my story this weekend, but it helped me learn to be discerning. I did not like going to sleep at 2 am on Fri and Sat nights, but it helped me learn to manage my time better. And I especially did not like submitting something I’m not in love with, but it helped me realize that not everything is going to be a winner.

I saw Charlie Kaufman at a writers’ panel once and he described his writing process as follows (paraphrased): “I wake up and write utter garbage. Then I add some disgusting filth, then I have lunch. Then I write the worst sh*t anyone has ever seen or could imagine. Then I write more garbage. Then I eat dinner and go to sleep hating myself worse than I did yesterday.”

It resonated with me so much. I’m never harder on myself than when I’m writing - but I’m never happier than when I’ve written something I’m proud of.
You absolutely nail the writing journey - couldn't agree with you more!

^^ I am so glad I'm not alone in this. Each contest weekend, I leave my husband scratching his head, saying "but I thought you LIKED doing this?" LOL

Writing is a bit like addiction; you hate yourself for doing it, but when you do it well it feels so good...

There's no pleasant way to describe writing for people who aren't compelled by some inner demon to do so.  It's self-inflicted pain and humiliation, and the reward is rarely external. 

You write scenes that are perfect, you've carefully tended them, grown them from seeds until you have this beautiful structure.  Then the day comes you look at them and want to throw up, because everyone is so professional and understanding and just plain wrong!  Time to re-write the whole thing, only this time it's all about ego and shallow self-interest.  Much more human.  They'll be professional later on...
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