How important is formatting...?
Printed From: NYC Midnight : Creative Writing & Screenwriting
Category: GENERAL DISCUSSION
Forum Name: Screenwriting Bar & Lounge
Forum Description: Discuss NYC Midnight Screenwriting Competitions or Screenwriting in general.
URL: https://forums.nycmidnight.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=63689
Printed Date: 27 Mar 2026 at 12:22am Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 12.05 - http://www.webwizforums.com
Topic: How important is formatting...?
Posted By: Jiillii
Subject: How important is formatting...?
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2025 at 3:54am
|
First time screenwriting entrant. Read all the guidance, sample scripts. Life happened and only had a day to really write. Had a nightmare with free software so ended up using a Word template.
I think it was ok but maybe a few niggles. Are the judges going to be super-annoyed if the formatting's not perfect? Beating myself up and worrying I have ruined my chances!
|
Replies:
Posted By: Suave
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2025 at 3:59am
Formatting is part of the judging, not that big a part. Some judges will just look past it as this a contest and there will be many new people entering. If you look in the rules it will tell you what percentage can be used for it. I would not worry greatly.
------------- https://shorturl.at/BYBEf" rel="nofollow - Screenplay Magic and Mayhem https://shorturl.at/FwVkk" rel="nofollow - 500 RomCom/ Making Music FB
|
Posted By: Jiillii
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2025 at 4:10am
Suave wrote:
Formatting is part of the judging, not that big a part. Some judges will just look past it as this a contest and there will be many new people entering. If you look in the rules it will tell you what percentage can be used for it. I would not worry greatly. |
Thank you! I did my best. Probably just the usual second-guessing after submission, haha. Will see what they say.
|
Posted By: Frey_a
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2025 at 5:01am
Not trying to stress you, but I have heard of someone being dq for formatting. I remember her saying she tried to format it herself, but I didn’t see it so have no idea what kind of shape it was in or what specifically caused the DQ
------------- https://forums.nycmidnight.com/author-archive_topic43498_post581969.html#581969" rel="nofollow - Author Archive http://www.tinyurl.com/2mwfxxen" rel="nofollow - SWC FINAL
|
Posted By: swilki
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2025 at 7:08am
|
format is 15% of the total judging criteria, spelling and grammar is 5 and the screenplay itself is 80% so even if you lose all the format points there's still 85% up for grabs and you could easily advance.
I think it would be really really rare to dq someone solely for formatting, and probably more to do with the end product being in a readable file format (e.g. a proprietary script file like .fdx, mmx, scw that you need the specific software to read) or I think some people have had trouble in the past with Writer Duet only converting part of their screenplays. I guess if you couldn't tell dialogue from action, maybe, but it would have to be pretty illegible to get a full disqualification.
------------- https://tinyurl.com/2wxm2mec" rel="nofollow - 250 R1 https://tinyurl.com/566e2wya" rel="nofollow - 250 R2 https://bit.ly/3CprYfx" rel="nofollow - All Writing
|
Posted By: UK5AM
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2025 at 7:17am
It's important in that, if your margins aren't industry standard you can fit more words on the page and so, build an advantage against others (same with using different fonts to those listed). If you only missed off the title page or log line you would get a small deduction but not much I think.
------------- https://forums.nycmidnight.com/topic67075_post714336.html#714336" rel="nofollow - 2025 R2 Scary Story - The Laiska
|
Posted By: Suave
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2025 at 7:21am
swilki wrote:
format is 15% of the total judging criteria, spelling and grammar is 5 and the screenplay itself is 80% so even if you lose all the format points there's still 85% up for grabs and you could easily advance.
I think it would be really really rare to dq someone solely for formatting, and probably more to do with the end product being in a readable file format (e.g. a proprietary script file like .fdx, mmx, scw that you need the specific software to read) or I think some people have had trouble in the past with Writer Duet only converting part of their screenplays. I guess if you couldn't tell dialogue from action, maybe, but it would have to be pretty illegible to get a full disqualification. |
I have to agree. Though, I did get a beta read this time that I really had a hard time reading, finally gave up and contacted the sender. She took a look and was speechless, lol. She had sent it in docx from Cerbx, or whatever, and it did not do well in the transfer of info. She did not think to check it, haha, that won't happen again. Anyway, she figured it all out and sent me a perfectly formatted script and apologized profusely.
So, it can happen that the formatting is so garbled that a judge is not going to try and sort it out and if that is the case can't really blame them.
I did have a shorty story in WB that was just one big cube of story, no breaks of any kind, the line separation was barely there. I was able to read it, but it really detracted from the experience, haha.
------------- https://shorturl.at/BYBEf" rel="nofollow - Screenplay Magic and Mayhem https://shorturl.at/FwVkk" rel="nofollow - 500 RomCom/ Making Music FB
|
Posted By: Aporia
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2025 at 9:48am
Suave wrote:
Formatting is part of the judging, not that big a part. Some judges will just look past it as this a contest and there will be many new people entering. If you look in the rules it will tell you what percentage can be used for it. I would not worry greatly. |
Formatting is 15% and what’s detailed as “formatting” in the rules (per section 17) is more about submission guidelines and less about traditional screenwriting format, style, and structure. 5% is grammar, and 80% is story.
That said, the winner’s scripts, the ones they post on the website, from my glance at those scripts, all of them are technically perfect, so that could mean the competition is so fierce to where that 20% becomes really important.
|
Posted By: Suave
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2025 at 10:10am
Aporia wrote:
Suave wrote:
Formatting is part of the judging, not that big a part. Some judges will just look past it as this a contest and there will be many new people entering. If you look in the rules it will tell you what percentage can be used for it. I would not worry greatly. |
Formatting is 15% and what’s detailed as “formatting” in the rules (per section 17) is more about submission guidelines and less about traditional screenwriting format, style, and structure. 5% is grammar, and 80% is story.
That said, the winner’s scripts, the ones they post on the website, from my glance at those scripts, all of them are technically perfect, so that could mean the competition is so fierce to where that 20% becomes really important. |
There is that, haha. But I think there is more to it than just the format. It is the way the story is laid out, the way any dialogue is done. The format is just the way to put all that on a page so people can read it. The real art is what is put into the format on the page.
------------- https://shorturl.at/BYBEf" rel="nofollow - Screenplay Magic and Mayhem https://shorturl.at/FwVkk" rel="nofollow - 500 RomCom/ Making Music FB
|
Posted By: nickwascreative
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2025 at 11:02am
I think as long as your margins are close to what’s allowable and your script looks and reads like a script, you’re probably fine. As someone noted here, if you have narrow margins, you’ll then be able to cram in more story which puts you at an advantage, which would be frowned upon by the judges. Every time we enter these contests, we learn something new about our writing and writing process. In the end of the day, it’s always best practice to try to leave minimal up for debate with the judges! Good luck!
------------- https://forums.nycmidnight.com/r1-g5-arise-thriller_topic67766.html" rel="nofollow - SWC 2026 - G5 - Arise https://forums.nycmidnight.com/topic43498_post516103.html#516103" rel="nofollow - ARCHIVE
|
Posted By: horrorshaun
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2025 at 2:22pm
|
It's submitted, so don't stress! Use this time to find some good screenwriting program and familiarize yourself with it so you don't have to stress when you SAIL INTO ROUND TWO! (Trying to manifest that for ya).
|
Posted By: Annie K
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2025 at 4:33pm
Aporia wrote:
Suave wrote:
Formatting is part of the judging, not that big a part. Some judges will just look past it as this a contest and there will be many new people entering. If you look in the rules it will tell you what percentage can be used for it. I would not worry greatly. |
Formatting is 15% and what’s detailed as “formatting” in the rules (per section 17) is more about submission guidelines and less about traditional screenwriting format, style, and structure. 5% is grammar, and 80% is story.
That said, the winner’s scripts, the ones they post on the website, from my glance at those scripts, all of them are technically perfect, so that could mean the competition is so fierce to where that 20% becomes really important. |
I also hope they'd let the final draft that gets posted on the website at least have grammar edits, right? Like, say someone's story was phenomenal and won but they used "your" instead of "you're," NYCM wouldn't make them keep that mistake in? They couldn't have ALL been without grammar error/mistake, even if they won, could they?
------------- https://tinyurl.com/3kynb8tw" rel="nofollow - Archive https://tinyurl.com/3x5cmkm4" rel="nofollow - R1 FLASH
|
Posted By: Aporia
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2025 at 10:20am
Annie K wrote:
Aporia wrote:
Suave wrote:
Formatting is part of the judging, not that big a part. Some judges will just look past it as this a contest and there will be many new people entering. If you look in the rules it will tell you what percentage can be used for it. I would not worry greatly. |
Formatting is 15% and what’s detailed as “formatting” in the rules (per section 17) is more about submission guidelines and less about traditional screenwriting format, style, and structure. 5% is grammar, and 80% is story.
That said, the winner’s scripts, the ones they post on the website, from my glance at those scripts, all of them are technically perfect, so that could mean the competition is so fierce to where that 20% becomes really important. |
I also hope they'd let the final draft that gets posted on the website at least have grammar edits, right? Like, say someone's story was phenomenal and won but they used "your" instead of "you're," NYCM wouldn't make them keep that mistake in? They couldn't have ALL been without grammar error/mistake, even if they won, could they? |
I don’t know. It’s a good point and I’ve wondered that myself. I’m a dyslexic writer so I personally fret over these things and I allow myself time for that in my process, but it would be nice to simply focus on story… but I think that’s all part of the craft. You don’t want so many mistakes it detracts from the read.
To your point though, many festivals allow edits post victory.
|
Posted By: John.Needham
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2025 at 11:36am
|
It's a competition and marks are awarded for being professional, which is what winners want to be - a professional writer.
That being said, looking at last year's judges' comments, there didn't seem to be any of them who made a point of noting the incorrect use of producers' compared to producer's according to the context. If the marking is correctly set, then a great idea should stand an excellent chance of getting through.
As someone noted, there might be two equally great scripts, which I guess is when grammar and formatting will make the difference.
------------- https://forums.nycmidnight.com/r1-g40-miss-s-donuts-tramp-political-satire_topic63688.html" rel="nofollow - R1 G40 Miss S. Donuts Tramp, Political Satire
|
Posted By: Jiillii
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2025 at 2:58pm
horrorshaun wrote:
It's submitted, so don't stress! Use this time to find some good screenwriting program and familiarize yourself with it so you don't have to stress when you SAIL INTO ROUND TWO! (Trying to manifest that for ya). |
I love that! Thank you!!
|
Posted By: Jiillii
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2025 at 2:59pm
Suave wrote:
Formatting is part of the judging, not that big a part. Some judges will just look past it as this a contest and there will be many new people entering. If you look in the rules it will tell you what percentage can be used for it. I would not worry greatly. |
Thank you! I had a look and that has reassured me a little, phew.
|
Posted By: Jiillii
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2025 at 3:01pm
Frey_a wrote:
Not trying to stress you, but I have heard of someone being dq for formatting. I remember her saying she tried to format it herself, but I didn’t see it so have no idea what kind of shape it was in or what specifically caused the DQ |
Eek! I tried my very best in Word. It was definitely legible, the right margins and a bit under the word count so was not trying to squeeze extra in! I think it was the spacing I mucked up a bit but if anything it was over spaces so again was not being sneaky! Would just hate that to be my downfall but we shall see! Thank you.
|
Posted By: Jiillii
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2025 at 3:02pm
swilki wrote:
format is 15% of the total judging criteria, spelling and grammar is 5 and the screenplay itself is 80% so even if you lose all the format points there's still 85% up for grabs and you could easily advance.
I think it would be really really rare to dq someone solely for formatting, and probably more to do with the end product being in a readable file format (e.g. a proprietary script file like .fdx, mmx, scw that you need the specific software to read) or I think some people have had trouble in the past with Writer Duet only converting part of their screenplays. I guess if you couldn't tell dialogue from action, maybe, but it would have to be pretty illegible to get a full disqualification. |
Thank you!! That was the reason I ended up doing it myself in Word, just wasn't getting there with the software and time was ticking! I will learn from it in amy case. Thank you!
|
Posted By: Jiillii
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2025 at 3:03pm
UK5AM wrote:
It's important in that, if your margins aren't industry standard you can fit more words on the page and so, build an advantage against others (same with using different fonts to those listed). If you only missed off the title page or log line you would get a small deduction but not much I think. |
Thanks, I was under the word count and very spacious. Think too spacious might be my issue...but equally that might save me haha.
|
Posted By: Jiillii
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2025 at 3:04pm
Suave wrote:
swilki wrote:
format is 15% of the total judging criteria, spelling and grammar is 5 and the screenplay itself is 80% so even if you lose all the format points there's still 85% up for grabs and you could easily advance.
I think it would be really really rare to dq someone solely for formatting, and probably more to do with the end product being in a readable file format (e.g. a proprietary script file like .fdx, mmx, scw that you need the specific software to read) or I think some people have had trouble in the past with Writer Duet only converting part of their screenplays. I guess if you couldn't tell dialogue from action, maybe, but it would have to be pretty illegible to get a full disqualification. |
I have to agree. Though, I did get a beta read this time that I really had a hard time reading, finally gave up and contacted the sender. She took a look and was speechless, lol. She had sent it in docx from Cerbx, or whatever, and it did not do well in the transfer of info. She did not think to check it, haha, that won't happen again. Anyway, she figured it all out and sent me a perfectly formatted script and apologized profusely.
So, it can happen that the formatting is so garbled that a judge is not going to try and sort it out and if that is the case can't really blame them.
I did have a shorty story in WB that was just one big cube of story, no breaks of any kind, the line separation was barely there. I was able to read it, but it really detracted from the experience, haha. |
Eek, that gives me a whole new fear! Maybe my Word attempt will be ok. I'll get a perfect template sorted for next time..if there is one haha.
|
Posted By: Jiillii
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2025 at 3:04pm
Aporia wrote:
Suave wrote:
Formatting is part of the judging, not that big a part. Some judges will just look past it as this a contest and there will be many new people entering. If you look in the rules it will tell you what percentage can be used for it. I would not worry greatly. |
Formatting is 15% and what’s detailed as “formatting” in the rules (per section 17) is more about submission guidelines and less about traditional screenwriting format, style, and structure. 5% is grammar, and 80% is story.
That said, the winner’s scripts, the ones they post on the website, from my glance at those scripts, all of them are technically perfect, so that could mean the competition is so fierce to where that 20% becomes really important. |
Good point!
|
Posted By: Jiillii
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2025 at 3:05pm
John.Needham wrote:
It's a competition and marks are awarded for being professional, which is what winners want to be - a professional writer.
That being said, looking at last year's judges' comments, there didn't seem to be any of them who made a point of noting the incorrect use of producers' compared to producer's according to the context. If the marking is correctly set, then a great idea should stand an excellent chance of getting through.
As someone noted, there might be two equally great scripts, which I guess is when grammar and formatting will make the difference.
|
Great point. I think that is what is annoying me, that formatting could put me out rather than my writing or idea! I will keep my fingers crossed and learn from it!
|
|