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Topic: Why do so few of us actually post our stories?
Posted By: sinister
Subject: Why do so few of us actually post our stories?
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2020 at 2:48pm
I'm sort of surprised at how few people from each heat actually post their stories on the forums.  Looking at the master list, there are very few heats that have more than 5 people with stories posted for feedback.  Each heat has, what, 30 people?  

In my mind, the forum feedback is part of the value for money that this contest provides, and I feel like you're kind of wasting your entry fee if you don't take advantage of it.  

All of this to say, if you know someone in this contest who hasn't posted their story for feedback, go poke them and make them do that thing.

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Posted By: jumpingjackflash
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2020 at 3:17pm
I could tell you why I don't but that would prove controversial and I don't want to open a can of worms or get people angry/upset.

My partner does sometimes but I never have!


Posted By: Reasonably_Crazy
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2020 at 3:27pm
I know some people don't because they plan to publish and don't want to put it out where other people can see it. Others may feel insecure about their work, or hated it, or maybe never finished. Or maybe they just don't want the obligation of returning reviews, haha.

I think a lot of people just don't really engage in the forums at all, either because they don't really know about them, or just found them overwhelming.

I'm sure there's a dozen other reasons, but I also wish more people did! I'm disappointed that I only saw three other people in my heat post their stories, but also recognize that I'm lucky that it was more than just me!


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Posted By: sinister
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2020 at 3:29pm
I mean, the concern about publication is solved just by deactivating the share link from your Google doc once the round is over.  Unless you're worried about someone stealing your idea, I guess, which, ok.




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Posted By: sinister
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2020 at 3:31pm
Also, Reasonably_Crazy...

You're going to be AMAZING.  :)


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Posted By: rachell
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2020 at 3:39pm
I posted mine the first year I did it and got some nice feedback. 

But now, with an infant and a toddler, I feel guilty posting my story and asking for feedback while knowing that I probably won't be able to give quality feedback in return. It doesn't seem fair.




Posted By: SpaceDummy
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2020 at 4:07pm
This exactly. I fall into the hated it/writer's remorse/what was I thinking category.


Posted By: Illuminaughty
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2020 at 6:00pm
I write with another person who would prefer we didn't share, so we never have. There's a few stories we've written that took first in our heat, and a few that definitely did not, and the feedback from judges remains pretty much the same—so, I mean, I would like to post. If not to get a little more feedback whether varied from the judge's or not. Also, the heat we were placed in currently only has one story posted. Writing as a team involves respecting the other person though, so I won't post. I've considered commenting to share my thoughts on other people's work, but I wondered if it would bug people that I wasn't making myself equally as vulnerable to peer commentary/there was no ability for them to verify that I'd also competed. 


Posted By: Cat Logan
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2020 at 8:29pm
Originally posted by Illuminaughty Illuminaughty wrote:

I write with another person who would prefer we didn't share, so we never have. There's a few stories we've written that took first in our heat, and a few that definitely did not, and the feedback from judges remains pretty much the same—so, I mean, I would like to post. If not to get a little more feedback whether varied from the judge's or not. Also, the heat we were placed in currently only has one story posted. Writing as a team involves respecting the other person though, so I won't post. I've considered commenting to share my thoughts on other people's work, but I wondered if it would bug people that I wasn't making myself equally as vulnerable to peer commentary/there was no ability for them to verify that I'd also competed. 

Hi Illuminaughty,
I think about 99.9999999% of the people who post would *love* for you to give feedback on their stories and would probably feel relieved you didn't expect any back! It's time-consuming to read stories and give quality feedback, and I find it difficult to return the favor timely, although we have a few months to catch everyone back, so that's good. :)


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Posted By: northernwriter
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2020 at 10:18pm
I started writing a year and a half ago. My first story was for the NYCM Flash Fiction 2018 contest. I was terrified to post and felt out of my league. I got really good feedback from the judges, both positive and critiques but got 0 points. For the second round, I was equally terrified and thought my story was horrible so I didn’t post. I came in 1st in my heat. That gave me the confidence I needed to post my work after that. Good, bad, or ugly, my work can only get better if I work at it. But you have to be ready for tough critiques if they come (I am now) and I wasn’t until I got the boost I needed from winning my round.

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Posted By: stephenmatlock
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2020 at 11:47pm
I'm not posting for Reasons, but I'm reviewing stories.


Posted By: Clare1564
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 10:55am
I have posted but so far I have not had time to review anyone’s story, which I feel really guilty about. I wonder if this is why people don’t post.

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Posted By: IReen
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 11:18am
I am also in the "too busy" camp.  I've participated for a few years now and the first few competitions I really tried to read and review everyone who gave me feedback and I fell behind each time.  I feel incredibly bad about that. So now I abstain from posting my story because I don't want to let others down, or feel the guilt of not following through.  I will occasionally come and read and review when I have time.  I also hang out on the forums sometimes, watching others interactions but not chiming in much.  

I think this is a great contest with great people, and agree that the forums and feedback, the interaction of participants, are factors that make it so good.  :)


Posted By: jennifer.quail
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 11:24am
Originally posted by sinister sinister wrote:

I mean, the concern about publication is solved just by deactivating the share link from your Google doc once the round is over.  Unless you're worried about someone stealing your idea, I guess, which, ok.



It also operates on the assumption you're going to submit exactly what you wrote here with no alterations, which kind of defeats the purpose of getting feedback on it. 


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Posted By: Pajamas All Day
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 4:15pm
It's disappointing that more people don't choose to participate for whatever reason. I really enjoy reading what others chose to do with the same prompts I received; however, in the last two NYC Midnight contests I've participated in only three other writers (in my heat) have submitted their work for review. I'd love to be able to read the top five stories in each and every heat after the judging has been done. That would help me considerably more than any judges' comments I've ever received. I tend to get conflicting comments. One judge loves something that another judge hates. Plus, I just enjoy good stories. 

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Posted By: jumpingjackflash
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 4:34pm
Originally posted by Pajamas All Day Pajamas All Day wrote:

It's disappointing that more people don't choose to participate for whatever reason. I really enjoy reading what others chose to do with the same prompts I received; however, in the last two NYC Midnight contests I've participated in only three other writers (in my heat) have submitted their work for review. I'd love to be able to read the top five stories in each and every heat after the judging has been done. That would help me considerably more than any judges' comments I've ever received. I tend to get conflicting comments. One judge loves something that another judge hates. Plus, I just enjoy good stories. 

Being able to read the top five would really help when you get a genre you're not comfortable with. I'd love to read stories that have done well in something like horror (which I've never really written), just to get an idea of what the judges like


Posted By: Pajamas All Day
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 4:41pm
It would be incredibly helpful to me and very enjoyable. I know it would also be a lot of work and would require the participation of everyone but I still think it would be a great idea. This contest is NOT cheap but I can always justify spending the money if I'm at least learning and reading great writing. 

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Posted By: Bookworm33
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 4:49pm
I usually do post my entries, but this year my Round 1 story is not great. I struggled all week to come up with a plot, and due to personal things and a busy schedule, I started writing on the final day and finished my one draft literally right before the deadline. It was an effort to just submit something instead of giving up completely.
I'm not happy with what I wrote, and I know where the problem spots are...I don't really see any reason to have other people read it at this point. It needs a major overhaul before I'll be comfortable with anyone else seeing it...Confused


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Posted By: Pajamas All Day
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2020 at 6:13pm
Oh, I totally understand that. The same thing happened to me in the second half of the first round of the last flash fiction contest. Ironically, I was at a writing conference and had zero time to write the horror story I'd been assigned. I frantically concocted a story and submitted with two minutes to spare. Oddly, I kind of love it. Even though I didn't post it in the forum, I hope to polish it at some point and maybe submit it to some online magazines and journals. That's the thing about this contest, at the very least it gets me writing and pushes me out of my comfort zone.

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Posted By: laritybug
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2020 at 12:47am
Originally posted by rachell rachell wrote:

I posted mine the first year I did it and got some nice feedback. 

But now, with an infant and a toddler, I feel guilty posting my story and asking for feedback while knowing that I probably won't be able to give quality feedback in return. It doesn't seem fair.



I actually review others because I like reading stories. Plus I'm an English teacher and it's nice not to have to mince words dealing with children. I'm a bit OCD when it comes to reviews though because I try to get them all. I start off with my heat and the following 5 heats and for every person who reviews me I do the next two people on the list. The signature links don't work with my network so this wierd method has seen me through. I always end up with several pages of reviews from lots of writers and I still feel like I gave back to the community more than I take. 

BUT that being said seeing "will not return reviews due to x,y,z" wouldn't deter me in the slightest. Id post :) 


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Posted By: justmel
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2020 at 5:54am
I started doing these contests in 2015, and up until last year, I think I posted everything I submitted.  In the early years, it was pretty easy to return all crits, and I got (and I hope gave) some great feedback--but then, as the forums grew, it got a lot harder, and a lot of the familiar faces vanished--and honestly the quality of feedback slipped pretty significantly (one or two sentences of "great work, good luck" became the norm).  Some people still left (and still leave) really excellent, well-thought out, balanced feedback, so it was still worth it to participate, but then I switched providers and wound up with limited data. I continued to post, now with disclaimers about probably not being able to return crits, but although I still tried to return as many as I could, I felt guilty about not returning them all--and I hate feeling guilty!  Finally, when I started hearing whispers of plagiarism, I stopped posting altogether.  Whether those whispers were true or not is irrelevant to me.  I do miss the camaraderie of the early days (I know I sound like a grumpy old dinosaur here, get off my lawn, sorry), but anyway now I just share with my writer's group and am much less active in the forums as a whole.  (This is just my experience.  Your mileage may vary.)


Posted By: Jewel
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2020 at 7:54pm
I am a newbie to the NYC Midnight contest, and I had no idea when I decided to enter the contest as a fun challenge for myself that there was this whole community of writers sharing stories and critiques on the forums! I have read many posts and several stories, and am impressed with all of the talent as well as with the thoughtful reviews.

As to why some people aren’t posting their stories, I can only say as a newcomer, it is very intimidating to see all these short stories that are incredibly well written, and feel like my story is like a third grader’s essay in comparison!! Also, even though there are very detailed instructions on how to post and link, if anyone is somewhat technologically challenged like I am, it seems a little daunting to even post the stories correctly!!

( if this first note posts to the forum, I will have overcome one hurdle today!!)


Posted By: stevieh
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2020 at 3:24pm
I'm a newbie to NYC midnight this year and I posted my story without giving much thought to it.
I had assumed that more people would post theirs too. I'm a little disappointed I can't read more from my heat.
There's probably a lot of reasons why people don't post. I would think if people have had any experience with mean or hateful comments on them in the past they may be reluctant to post again. 
There are people I'm sure that never finished and submitted. It would be really interesting to see the percentage of submission.
I think getting conflicting critiques on a piece can really mess with your head. Maybe some people prefer for the judges feedback? I know usually I'm reluctant to show my work to people without it first checking they know what they are talking about. There would be plenty of people on here that wouldn't know what they are talking about when they say things with authority just like on a lot of critique sites. I think that would put people off aswell. 


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Posted By: Krystyne
Date Posted: 08 Feb 2020 at 6:37pm
Originally posted by Jewel Jewel wrote:

I am a newbie to the NYC Midnight contest, and I had no idea when I decided to enter the contest as a fun challenge for myself that there was this whole community of writers sharing stories and critiques on the forums! I have read many posts and several stories, and am impressed with all of the talent as well as with the thoughtful reviews.

As to why some people aren’t posting their stories, I can only say as a newcomer, it is very intimidating to see all these short stories that are incredibly well written, and feel like my story is like a third grader’s essay in comparison!! 

Ditto!
It is very intimidating after reading all these fantastic stories. But I suppose,in order to get better at this, I need to put it out there, warts and all.
Hopefully someone will read it (if I did the linking correctly) lol


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Posted By: craigs
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2020 at 4:27pm
I can only speak for myself, but I didn't post my story because it isn't really ready for feedback.  I submitted at the last minute because I was still revising, and have tons of changes I want to make.  So I don't want feedback because I already know the major weak points.  If there were some way to get feedback on a future revision, it could expose the weak points I don't see.  But as it stands, I don't see the feedback being useful yet.

Truthfully, now I am just waiting to see if I happen to make it to the next round. The feedback isn't really a priority. 


Posted By: aniaheasley
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2020 at 7:26am

My daughter entered this competition on a spur of the moment, it seemed a great idea at the time. She is only 14 and perhaps she realised this might be a little too hard for her. But. But. But. She still wrote, rewrote, rewrote again and submitted her story, on topic, on time, hovering around 2100 word count and she already feels like a winner because she did. Sharing it though, with all the pros and semi-pros among you good people is a different story. 
For the record, she was in Heat 117 (comedy-successful-paleontologist).  



Posted By: sootfoot5
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2020 at 7:33am
Originally posted by justmel justmel wrote:

I started doing these contests in 2015, and up until last year, I think I posted everything I submitted.  In the early years, it was pretty easy to return all crits, and I got (and I hope gave) some great feedback--but then, as the forums grew, it got a lot harder, and a lot of the familiar faces vanished--and honestly the quality of feedback slipped pretty significantly (one or two sentences of "great work, good luck" became the norm).  Some people still left (and still leave) really excellent, well-thought out, balanced feedback, so it was still worth it to participate, but then I switched providers and wound up with limited data. I continued to post, now with disclaimers about probably not being able to return crits, but although I still tried to return as many as I could, I felt guilty about not returning them all--and I hate feeling guilty!  Finally, when I started hearing whispers of plagiarism, I stopped posting altogether.  Whether those whispers were true or not is irrelevant to me.  I do miss the camaraderie of the early days (I know I sound like a grumpy old dinosaur here, get off my lawn, sorry), but anyway now I just share with my writer's group and am much less active in the forums as a whole.  (This is just my experience.  Your mileage may vary.)


justmel, what you said is so true but it also kinda makes me smirk.  I started doing these comps in 2008, and you want to talk about the familiar faces, etc!  And leadership...ahhh, serious "good old days" (getting out my rocking chair, pipe, and pushing back my grey hair to tell you young pups a tale.)

But past is past.  Or is it?  The past that justmel is referring to still contains current members who have chosen not to post.  I know why some of them don't.  It is like this:  when you've been in this comp for a while, you become a better writer.  But you still have your day job, your bread and butter job.  But when you become a better writer, you usually spend more time submitting for publication or seriously working on a novel.  You may also spend time in a writer's group or going to writing seminars, lectures, reading writing books, and so on.  

Now, before I go any further, I want to EMPHATICALLY state that what made many of these people better writers was the time they spent reviewing in this forum.  When you take time critiquing other people's work, you find it much easier to find the flaws in your own, especially in that damnable bane of all writers, POV.  (shudder)  Many of these writers who used to post and now don't were ones who wrote some of the most in-depth reviews.  

And, there are some of us old farts, myself being a prime example, who used to give much more in-depth feedback but seldom do anymore.  Honestly, I find it is seldom truly appreciated.  People say they want a "real review" but I don't think many writers do or understand what that entails.  Correcting someone's grammar isn't a review.  By the time the story has hit the fan (lo) the writer probably has already figured out those mistakes; furthermore, I've read numerous -- more than I can count -- corrections that were incorrect.  The reviews that are merely grammar corrections or "nice story" are another reason why many people don't post.  They don'thave the time to review a story in return for someone who gave their story such a shoddy review.  

Short version:  If you can't think of anything else to say in a review, pick out some things you liked about the story.  It is always helpful to a writer to know what works!  

Some people, especially the new members, try to review and kudos to them.  They are learning.  But I had someone review me last fall in Flash who said something like, "Great story click the link to read my story (story title)" -- needless to say, I did NOT click the link.   

BTW, there are a multitude of contestants who have never posted in the forum.  These are the professional writers.  I know this because I have, in the past, google people in my heat when they didn't post.  Now that I know pros sometimes enter, I don't make myself sick by doing that.  The interesting thing is that these people seldom win the contests.  I think they drop out.  

There are also people who I think don't know the forum exists.  

There are the reasons I believe people don't post.  I could be wrong, but I've been around here for a while.  The way I look at it is that there are more than enough stories to read and writers to get to know, so who cares if some don't post?  

Enough is as good as a feast.    


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Posted By: billyliggett
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2020 at 4:56pm
I'm one of those newbies, and I enjoy the forum immensely. For now, I post my stories — but I suffer from a slight case of "imposter syndrome," and I take most of the atta-boys as people just being nice. 

I also like reading others' stories — and I love giving feedback, because most of them are either good to great. But then I recently came across a few headscratchers, and I struggled to give feedback without sounding like a big phony. 

So, all that to say ... I understand people who want nothing to do with this. 

We're all writing, and writing is hard as hell. Putting your writing out for others to read is even harder. 

So good for all of us!

PS: Don't read my stuff. ;)


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Posted By: Preyingcloud
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2020 at 8:42pm
I post my stories but I don't get many reads, probably because of my uninspiring titles or just the volume. Actually, the volume of choice is overwhelming. My day job is ultra demanding and sometimes I run out of steam so I read stories and my mind is like "that was gooder than the last one" and this is not a valuable review. I also don't know where to begin so I sort of hope people will read mine so I can read theirs and not have to pick. (Sorry, my daily cognitive load is so out of control I literally can't decide what to eat. I live on carrot sticks, quinoa biscuits and hummus and wait to see what the husband is serving for dinner. Trying to pick out a story to read ... I should. I want to! I freeze .. )

But I am so glad so many of us do post, even if it isn't the majority. Hell that would be true overload! Even just reading people's stories is inspiring. And criticism is so necessary for improvement. Also flat out stealing someone else's work is a surefire way to destroy ones own reputation. But every story and idea when taken on macro level is a recycled version of another story, it's how you tell it that counts and that is rooted in individual experience. You can't steal that.


Posted By: Judit Dani
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2020 at 3:14pm
Originally posted by stevieh stevieh wrote:

I'm a newbie to NYC midnight this year and I posted my story without giving much thought to it.
I had assumed that more people would post theirs too. I'm a little disappointed I can't read more from my heat.
There's probably a lot of reasons why people don't post. I would think if people have had any experience with mean or hateful comments on them in the past they may be reluctant to post again. 
There are people I'm sure that never finished and submitted. It would be really interesting to see the percentage of submission.
I think getting conflicting critiques on a piece can really mess with your head. Maybe some people prefer for the judges feedback? I know usually I'm reluctant to show my work to people without it first checking they know what they are talking about. There would be plenty of people on here that wouldn't know what they are talking about when they say things with authority just like on a lot of critique sites. I think that would put people off aswell. 

Stevieh, You're absolutely right on all your points. Especially with the messing with the head part. I asked the few people that knows about my passion for writing to read my story and I got good and constructive feedback. But they are not writers and I am thinking most readers are not writers as well, and if they enjoyed it then that means something. Yes, professional feedback is important, but I would first wait for the judges to give me one, than to be put off by the authority you mentioned in your post, Stevieh. 
There were two stories posted in my heat, and honestly if I'd received some of the comments they got I would definitely get discouraged, which - after spending considerable energy to beat the procrastinating monster and actually start writing - is not something I need. I really enjoyed writing and want to keep going. 


Posted By: Random
Date Posted: 20 Feb 2020 at 2:06pm
Originally posted by sootfoot5 sootfoot5 wrote:

It is like this:  when you've been in this comp for a while, you become a better writer.  But you still have your day job, your bread and butter job.  But when you become a better writer, you usually spend more time submitting for publication or seriously working on a novel.  You may also spend time in a writer's group or going to writing seminars, lectures, reading writing books, and so on. 

Honestly, I find it is seldom truly appreciated.  People say they want a "real review" but I don't think many writers do or understand what that entails.  Correcting someone's grammar isn't a review.  By the time the story has hit the fan (lo) the writer probably has already figured out those mistakes; furthermore, I've read numerous -- more than I can count -- corrections that were incorrect.  The reviews that are merely grammar corrections or "nice story" are another reason why many people don't post.  They don'thave the time to review a story in return for someone who gave their story such a shoddy review. 


Tremendous amount of wisdom in that post.  I snipped quite a bit, but the whole thing is worth a couple reads.

I joined these contests because my writing could suck-start a Huey.  Some patterns emerged, I fixed a few problems, and now I can barely suck-start a gyrocopter.  Okay, I'm still not all that interested in being published, but that's more about my personal chapter in the DSM.

As for the forums, I used to post, but that ended after a while along with using beta readers.  As with most things it's both complicated and simple.


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Posted By: Taj
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 10:01am
I find the format of the forums kind of unwieldy and difficult to navigate. Maybe it’s because I use my iPad or just haven’t done it enough to get familiar with it, but I’ve only shared once and after that I have found myself unwilling to do again just because it’s not that convenient. I wish there was a closed Facebook group where we could easily post and comment. The navigation would be easier, and it would easy to search for heatmates with proper 🏷labeling of posts.however it would require admins.

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Posted By: Random
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 10:37am
Originally posted by Taj Taj wrote:

I find the format of the forums kind of unwieldy and difficult to navigate. Maybe it’s because I use my iPad or just haven’t done it enough to get familiar with it, but I’ve only shared once and after that I have found myself unwilling to do again just because it’s not that convenient. I wish there was a closed Facebook group where we could easily post and comment. The navigation would be easier, and it would easy to search for heatmates with proper 🏷labeling of posts.however it would require admins.


That would simplify things, particularly since I won't touch Facebook.  If they went that route it wouldn't even be a consideration  Big smile


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Posted By: Krystyne
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2020 at 11:15am
Originally posted by Taj Taj wrote:

I find the format of the forums kind of unwieldy and difficult to navigate. Maybe it’s because I use my iPad or just haven’t done it enough to get familiar with it, but I’ve only shared once and after that I have found myself unwilling to do again just because it’s not that convenient. I wish there was a closed Facebook group where we could easily post and comment. The navigation would be easier, and it would easy to search for heatmates with proper 🏷labeling of posts.however it would require admins.

Have you ever really tried to find anything in a Facebook group? Wow what an unwieldy mess that would be! This forum is so much easier to navigate! 


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Posted By: jennifer.quail
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2020 at 10:45am
Originally posted by Krystyne Krystyne wrote:

Originally posted by Taj Taj wrote:

I find the format of the forums kind of unwieldy and difficult to navigate. Maybe it’s because I use my iPad or just haven’t done it enough to get familiar with it, but I’ve only shared once and after that I have found myself unwilling to do again just because it’s not that convenient. I wish there was a closed Facebook group where we could easily post and comment. The navigation would be easier, and it would easy to search for heatmates with proper 🏷labeling of posts.however it would require admins.

Have you ever really tried to find anything in a Facebook group? Wow what an unwieldy mess that would be! This forum is so much easier to navigate! 

Oh, God, THIS. And then Facebook will change algorithms and you can't' find it again.


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Posted By: schaeferdrinker
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2020 at 12:58pm
I am having so much fun reading random short stories.  
You never know what you are going to get!
Reading for entertainment value while keeping an eye towards writing a review is expanding my view of writing.  This is like a creative writing class.
Thanks to the people who are posting their stories.




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Posted By: Pajamas All Day
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2020 at 9:20pm
I second that emotion, Schaeferdrinker.

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Posted By: Phobos
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2020 at 1:07am
So to sum up:
Some people don't post because they think they're too bad.
Some people don't post because they think they're too good.
Some people don't post because they think the peer reviews are too bad.
Some people don't post because they think people will steal their ideas.
Some people don't post because they can't be bothered to learn forums.

Anything else?


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Posted By: Seacore
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2020 at 8:17pm
And some people don't have the time to engage.

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Posted By: Rubix_Rube
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2020 at 4:12pm
This is my first writing competition and I was terrified of sharing my story but decided I would as a vital part of the process but I sat for over an hour trying to work out how to do it and failed miserably!!


Posted By: incompletegenius
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2020 at 10:12am
Any joy since, Rubix?

Google Docs seems to have been the popular choice (Sharing as 'View only') and using a bit.ly link to keep it nice and short for posting the link in your forum signature.

Glad to help if needed?




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Posted By: Suave
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 12:33am
I was a hesitant joiner of the forums - meaning I waited a couple of contests to post a story, since then I have posted everything I have entered and love it.  I have had a lot of great reviews and couple of what I call haters reviews, had one person that was so upset about one story that scored high on in the FFC that she started constantly private messaging me, and somehow got my email, finally had to block her. I still love having people read my stories and leave feedback, it is a hoot. Plus, I always return reads and feedback, even if it is only pat on the back type, we all love to hear it.


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Posted By: travlndiva
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2020 at 1:46am
Total newb here.  And I'm not happy with my story (the genre is not my forte).  I need to figure it all out and see how things go and I haven't written in about a decade, so I'm testing the waters.  Plus, no one else posted in my category.  Maybe one day!


Posted By: ConsideringLilies
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2020 at 8:57pm
Last I checked, I was the only person in my heat to post online. It's too bad. It'd be great to see what other people came up with when they received the exact same prompt! Think of all the possibilities and idea
I do understand why some people wouldn't post. Honestly I thought it was expected of us since this is my first competition here, and really my first time writing. Maybe I would have made a different decision if I'd thought of it more, but I was so happy with the feedback I got and the feedback I got to give

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Posted By: Suave
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2020 at 9:04pm
Originally posted by ConsideringLilies ConsideringLilies wrote:

Last I checked, I was the only person in my heat to post online. It's too bad. It'd be great to see what other people came up with when they received the exact same prompt! Think of all the possibilities and idea
I do understand why some people wouldn't post. Honestly I thought it was expected of us since this is my first competition here, and really my first time writing. Maybe I would have made a different decision if I'd thought of it more, but I was so happy with the feedback I got and the feedback I got to give


It is always a disappointment when no one else post in your heat, has happened to me a couple of times, but then once in while you will get 6 or 7 others post and that's a hoot.  I would just take the low number in your own heat to read other heats of your genre - that has gotten me interested in such things as fairy tales, lol.


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Posted By: stephenmatlock
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2020 at 9:05pm
Originally posted by ConsideringLilies ConsideringLilies wrote:

Last I checked, I was the only person in my heat to post online. It's too bad. It'd be great to see what other people came up with when they received the exact same prompt! Think of all the possibilities and idea
I do understand why some people wouldn't post. Honestly I thought it was expected of us since this is my first competition here, and really my first time writing. Maybe I would have made a different decision if I'd thought of it more, but I was so happy with the feedback I got and the feedback I got to give


I've been on the forums since 2013. I've always felt a sense of camaraderie.

Until recently. I discovered that an entrant was copying and posting / distributing the stories as their own, and another entrant was simply copying every story for their "own use."

So I've stopped.

It is ungracious to steal someone's work. It is ungracious to use someone's work without their permission. Early drafts are not for anyone to re-consume. They are the author's to own, and not for anyone to grab a hold of.

I am sorry that I can no longer find trust, but it is what it is, and I am choosing to own my work and to distribute in other ways for feedback.

And although I've paid to enter the last three contests, I ended up not even turning anything in--not because I do not trust the judges, but because my heart has gone out of this venue.

I'm still willing to give feedback here, as thoroughly as I can, and in full honesty that I will not copy or re-purpose the works posted here.


Posted By: Suave
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2020 at 11:19pm
I don't know of the plagiarizing stated by stephenmatlock, as I have not seen any posts about it before, and I am on the forums all the time over the last few years.  But, I will say this, I enjoy the forums and people reading my work that other wise would not see the light of day. If I am going to live my life in fear of someone stealing from me then I might as well live under a rock and never go anywhere. If a short story is such that you want to protect it, for time line, then maybe copyright it for real.  I will be one that always posts to the forum because it makes life just that little bit better despite the risk that maybe some black hearted person might do me wrong.


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Posted By: stephenmatlock
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2020 at 11:33pm
That is a decision I respect and can understand.

Be well in all you do. Wash your hands, and stay safe!


Posted By: jennifer.quail
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2020 at 3:07pm
You "copyrighted it for real" under US law the moment your wrote it. Contrary to legend there is no law requiring you register it, you don't have to put a little c-in-a-circle and your name on it, it is yours the creator's until...I think we're up to 90 years after your death? Unless you explicitly state it is under another sort of license it's yours. 

I would be curious to know who's stealing what and how they're distributing it, though, as I suspect if that can be proven they at least could get perma-banned from the contests. 

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Posted By: Suave
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2020 at 10:41pm
Originally posted by jennifer.quail jennifer.quail wrote:

You "copyrighted it for real" under US law the moment your wrote it. Contrary to legend there is no law requiring you register it, you don't have to put a little c-in-a-circle and your name on it, it is yours the creator's until...I think we're up to 90 years after your death? Unless you explicitly state it is under another sort of license it's yours. 

I would be curious to know who's stealing what and how they're distributing it, though, as I suspect if that can be proven they at least could get perma-banned from the contests. 


Yes, it is copyrighted when you write it, however some feel the need to go through the channels. 


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Posted By: coffeeandcookies
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2020 at 1:31am
That is wild Suave! Lol. They say you're not really famous until you have haters and stalkers, so that means you made it! LOL


Posted By: Suave
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2020 at 1:37am
Originally posted by coffeeandcookies coffeeandcookies wrote:

That is wild Suave! Lol. They say you're not really famous until you have haters and stalkers, so that means you made it! LOL


Haha, hope so!


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Posted By: coffeeandcookies
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 12:06am
Originally posted by sinister sinister wrote:

I'm sort of surprised at how few people from each heat actually post their stories on the forums.  Looking at the master list, there are very few heats that have more than 5 people with stories posted for feedback.  Each heat has, what, 30 people?  

In my mind, the forum feedback is part of the value for money that this contest provides, and I feel like you're kind of wasting your entry fee if you don't take advantage of it.  

All of this to say, if you know someone in this contest who hasn't posted their story for feedback, go poke them and make them do that thing.

:)

Honestly, the reason I didn't post my story was because I didn't realize this forum existed at first. I basically just paid for my entry fee on the main website and never looked at the forums. I think a lot of people probably did the same thing. Then, when I found out about the forums, I still didn't post it because I was afraid I might jinx myself somehow! THEN, I felt the forums were a little bit hard for me to navigate through. Everything seems tiny sms hard to click on and read to me. It took a little while for me to get used to the message boards. I didn't have patience to find out how the boards were organized a few months ago.

Also, I have a colleague of mine that proofreads my writing for me and gives me advice, so I didn't need to ask strangers for advice necessarily. I also had my old English teacher from high school look at my story. I felt like she knew me best, so I felt comfortable asking her to read it for me instead of asking people on the forums. 


Posted By: Suave
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 1:29am
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Honestly, the reason I didn't post my story was because I didn't realize this forum existed at first. I basically just paid for my entry fee on the main website and never looked at the forums. I think a lot of people probably did the same thing. Then, when I found out about the forums, I still didn't post it because I was afraid I might jinx myself somehow! THEN, I felt the forums were a little bit hard for me to navigate through. Everything seems tiny sms hard to click on and read to me. It took a little while for me to get used to the message boards. I didn't have patience to find out how the boards were organized a few months ago.

Also, I have a colleague of mine that proofreads my writing for me and gives me advice, so I didn't need to ask strangers for advice necessarily. I also had my old English teacher from high school look at my story. I felt like she knew me best, so I felt comfortable asking her to read it for me instead of asking people on the forums. 
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All valid reasons: I just like having someone read my work and comment on it as I never try and sell any of it, though I am nearing a self published book in the next year or so.  The forum takes up a lot of time too, which I have lots of, but for a worker bee it might prove too much time investment because generally the way you get feedback is by leaving feedback.


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