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Topic: Waiting & Master Lists & Tips
Posted By: ChillyToez
Subject: Waiting & Master Lists & Tips
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2019 at 9:12am
Heeeellllooooo Writers!

While Short Story-ers are anxiously awaiting results, and Flash Fiction-iers begin praying to the Prompt Gods, I just wanted to say a quick hello!



The lovely Steph9289 and I will be sharing Master List duties for Flash Fiction 2019. (Oh, what have I gotten myself into? Please be kind! LOL )

I saw quite a few people mentioning on other posts this was their first time participating (I expect in a competition of this size, there are always new folks!) So I thought that to pass the time, some of the regulars might like to share their tips or favorite things about the competition? Which genres do you love/hate? What's your process? What are your biggest Dos & Don'ts? Ya know, to hype folks up and/or calm the nerves?  



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Posted By: Jhill
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2019 at 12:11pm
Thanks to you & Steph for taking on list duty. :)

For writers new to the forum, Welcome! I have no legitimate advice, but I hope you have fun.


Posted By: chrissie0707
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2019 at 1:38pm
Thanks!

Familiarize yourself with the genre definition before you start writing. If you have time, read some examples of your assigned genre. Make a schedule for the weekend that's going to work for you. For me, I plot and plan and handwrite rough words and thoughts on Saturday, and then type up what I have and edit edit edit on Sunday.

And, yes, HAVE FUN.

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Posted By: patsy
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2019 at 3:10pm
If you get a genre you are not comfortable with don't panic, you can always genre mix!  The judges seem to be partial to a bit of genre mixing, but keep enough of your assigned genre in there to make the cut.  

Find a Beta Reader or two to exchange with that will help you find typos and plot holes as we can never see our own, especially not in 48 hours!  

If you're new, check out previous years review forms, a lot of folks are kind enough to post their judges reviews and where they placed at the end of their stories.  If their links are still active (some folks take them down if they're shopping the story or have sold it), read a few stories from genres you're nervous about to see how others handled it and what they scored.  

I always try to plan my story and have a first draft by Sunday Morning so I can send the story to Beta Readers, but that's just me.  It saves me undue anxiety Wink 

Just roll with it and have fun!


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Posted By: Seacore
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2019 at 8:25pm
My advice is to focus on the peer review as the true reason to join this competition rather than the judge's feedback or the competition aspect of it.

Judging is always subjective. The very best usually get through and the less stellar usually don't make the cut, but around the edges there are judgement calls and if you are waiting months just to find out whether you got through or not, then you're just setting yourself up for some potentially drawn out disappointment. And there's always a wild card judge in the mix. One who doesn't understand the point of your story, or one that thinks that political satire must be comedic. That's just the nature of the competition process.

If you focus on that you'll be missing the real treasure of this competition and that is the peer review. I have learned so much about my writing from the feedback I've got on the forum. So engage, read and review as many of the other stories as fits into you life (and then one or two more instead of sleeping).


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Posted By: TammyB
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2019 at 11:17am
Hello all!
As someone who just started the NYC competitions last year, it’s so much fun to try!

Read the genre descriptions. The movie references help define it a lot. 

Don’t get offended if you make comments in the forum others don’t like. It’s normal. I was hammered on the mistaken definition last year on sci fi, because I don’t read it, don’t write it, don’t watch it. So what? I tried.

Definitely find a couple of beta readers for Sunday morning. No more than 3, else you will be getting confused with all the potential suggestions. And you can take them or leave them, depending on what your heart says.

The judging is definitely subjective. I’ve even had the same judge say the opposite comments in two different sentences! But they can help in the second round.
  • Friday midnight I am up to find out my criteria. And think about it for 30 minutes before going to bed. I write down any potentials, if they come to mind.
  • Saturday I do a quick outline of what I want the story to be and write drafts 1 and hopefully 2.
  • Saturday night or Sunday morning I send to beta readers if I have any. 
  • Sunday I rewrite. 
Submit a couple hours early if you can, so there’s no last minute glitches.

My personal takes on the genres?
  • Action/Adventure - love it
  • Comedy - yes!
  • Crime Caper - absolutely
  • Mystery - totally
  • Spy - sure
  • Suspense - sure
  • Thriller - sure
  • Drama - jury is out
  • Fairy Tale - not too fond of
  • Ghost Story - maybe?
  • Historical Fiction - not really, but maybe
  • Fantasy - nope
  • Horror - nope
  • Political Satire - scary
  • Romance - I suck
  • Romantic Comedy - again, I suck
  • Sci-Fi - no way in heck
And if you want, between the 1st and 2nd challenge, you can practice with some of the other combinations that were offered.
Good luck all!



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Posted By: TrishArrowsmith
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2019 at 12:23pm
Hello! Newbie here.  I just registered for the flash fiction competition two days ago.
 
Thank you for posting this. I do have a plan in place for how I'm going to structure my weekend. It's going to be tough because I work retail and have a full shift on Saturday.
I'm not worried about being able to complete the challenge and I already have beta readers lined up. Some of the genres are what I'm a bit anxious about. There are a few I've never tried writing and a couple that I am completely clueless about.
 
I signed up for the experience above anything else and I'm keeping my fingers crossed the peer and judge reviews will be beneficial to my growth as a writer.


Posted By: salgal80
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2019 at 12:51pm
I'm back after a hiatus.
 
Can someone please remind me of the timing?  11:59 Friday night, right?  EST.
And when is it due?  By 11:59 Sunday night or Monday night?
 
THanks!


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Posted By: TrishArrowsmith
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2019 at 12:55pm
Sunday night (7/14) 11:59pm


Posted By: MikeBham
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2019 at 4:59pm
This is my second Flash Fiction (and I had a stab at the Short Story as well).

By far and away the best writing experience I've had - and all thanks to these lovely people on the forum.

So, a few suggestions:

1 - ask questions. The forum is full of friendly and helpful types
2 - read the brief carefully
3 - they really mean it about the word count limit
4 - Once the confirmations have been issued (usually about Tues/Wed next week) then SHARE YOUR STORY

Why? Because we all love reading stories, and because the comments, feedback, suggestions and criticism from your fellow writers are far more valuable than the judges' comments that you will eventually receive.

5 - Once you have shared your story, read lots of the other ones, and leave feedback.

Oh yeah - and always always submit and share your entry. Even if you don't like it. Even if you did the whole thing in a terrible rush at the last minute. Even if you think it is terrible. You wrote a story, and it needs to be read. You never know - everyone else might just love it!

Good luck!






Posted By: ChillyToez
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2019 at 6:49pm
Originally posted by MikeBham MikeBham wrote:

You wrote a story, and it needs to be read.


I love this sentiment! 


Posted By: hanalyst
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2019 at 7:14pm
1. Make sure you not only stick within the word count, but use the required formatting. No point in getting docked unnecessarily.

2. Lock down your betas early if possible (but not before the prompts go out, to avoid beta-ing any groupmates)--it's totally fine to ask someone about reading your story before you're ready to send it, and you can also find out what time slot(s) in the 48hrs that person has available and plan accordingly. I personally will sometimes step away from my unfinished story to give notes on someone else's when I have writer's block.

3. Don't break the genre rules, but don't be afraid to stretch them a bit. Your judges are getting dozens of takes on the same prompts, and something that's a little out of left field will make you stand out easier than just trying to write the obvious thing THE BEST. (Exceptions being prompt combinations with NO easy connection, of course. Then just hang on for dear life.)

4. Try to approach forum comments on stories as a compliment sandwich (liked this/would change this/overall thanks for sharing). We're all here to encourage each other (this sh*t is HARD, after all), but if it's all flattery and no suggestions for improvement, there's no growth.


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Posted By: leslieksf
Date Posted: 11 Jul 2019 at 7:20pm
Thanks Steph and ChillyToez for doing the master lists this time around!

This is my 4th time in FFC, and hands down the most valuable things to me have been getting feedback in this forum on my writing AND also on how to give valuable/constructive feedback to others. 

I guess my advice would be as a few others have said. highlighting the following
  • create a rough schedule or brainstorming, writing, beta reading, and so forth 
  • definitely read through the http://www.nycmidnight.com/genres.htm" rel="nofollow - genre descriptions as stated in the rules prior to Friday night (I know this has been said, but reading these always helps me, especially with genres I dread getting.)
In terms of genres:

Genre I've gotten the most: Drama  (ARGH!!!!!)
Genre I was dreading and finally got: Historical Fiction
Genres I don't care to ever get again: drama, romance
Genres I have not gotten but want to: Horror, suspense

Have fun everyone!


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Posted By: charleycheval
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 12:58am
I 100% agree with submitting whatever you have written, even if you hate it. I got stuck in a genre I had never done and had no interest in and wrote it in two hours, submitting minutes before the deadline and ended up with an honourable mention. You just never know! 

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Posted By: Mumser
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 9:11am
We all have our own ways of interpreting prompts and getting our stories written. So all I’m going to say is write your face off, have fun, and participate in the forum as much as you can. Good luck everyone!

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Posted By: Maddoris
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 8:57pm
Originally posted by MikeBham MikeBham wrote:

This is my second Flash Fiction (and I had a stab at the Short Story as well).

By far and away the best writing experience I've had - and all thanks to these lovely people on the forum.

So, a few suggestions:

1 - ask questions. The forum is full of friendly and helpful types
2 - read the brief carefully
3 - they really mean it about the word count limit
4 - Once the confirmations have been issued (usually about Tues/Wed next week) then SHARE YOUR STORY

Why? Because we all love reading stories, and because the comments, feedback, suggestions and criticism from your fellow writers are far more valuable than the judges' comments that you will eventually receive.

5 - Once you have shared your story, read lots of the other ones, and leave feedback.

Oh yeah - and always always submit and share your entry. Even if you don't like it. Even if you did the whole thing in a terrible rush at the last minute. Even if you think it is terrible. You wrote a story, and it needs to be read. You never know - everyone else might just love it!

Good luck!





Everything that Mike said - especially about making the most of the forums, and the talented and generous people who participate on them.  The feedback, support, and encouragement you can give and get is what really makes the experience valuable.

Case in point: I was lucky enough to be in the same group as Mike last year (both of us were first timers) so we shared our triumphs over the wack-a-doodle prompts (taxidermy shops and suction cups) and the terrifying prospect of writing comedy.  

Super excited to see that you're back, Mike! Can't wait to read your stories again!

mad.


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Posted By: ChillyToez
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 9:08pm
Originally posted by Maddoris Maddoris wrote:

wack-a-doodle prompts (taxidermy shops and suction cups)

Holy wack-a-mole! I think I’ll just pour another glass and pretend I never saw that train wreck of a prompt possibility...


Posted By: Trond24
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 9:36pm
Echoing a thanks for taking on the Master Lists.

Three nuances:

1) Reread the emails we get in their entirety at the prompt drop. Fourth year and I always am surprised at a minor change or something I never saw before.

2) There are free word counters and grammar checkers online. Use them!

3) Try to submit at least a half-hour early. The servers get BUSY at the drop-dead hour. And, you've probably forgotten something: font, synopsis, etc.

:-)
GL, all.


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Posted By: ottersdaughter
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 10:56pm
Originally posted by ChillyToez ChillyToez wrote:

Heeeellllooooo Writers!

While Short Story-ers are anxiously awaiting results, and Flash Fiction-iers begin praying to the Prompt Gods, I just wanted to say a quick hello!



The lovely Steph9289 and I will be sharing Master List duties for Flash Fiction 2019. (Oh, what have I gotten myself into? Please be kind! LOL )

I saw quite a few people mentioning on other posts this was their first time participating (I expect in a competition of this size, there are always new folks!) So I thought that to pass the time, some of the regulars might like to share their tips or favorite things about the competition? Which genres do you love/hate? What's your process? What are your biggest Dos & Don'ts? Ya know, to hype folks up and/or calm the nerves?  

Thank you so much for taking on master list duty! 

These things may have been said, but if so, I'll say them again.

Good beta readers are absolute GOLD. It is possible to do well with a piece that no one but you looks at, but it's much, much less likely in my experience.

The forum reviews are where you'll get the most benefit, and it's possible to benefit a ton from the peer reviewing process. Be prepared to sink some time into it to get the most out of it.

ExclamationExclamationExclamation I am told we may not be able to serially resubmit this year - I'm rereading the agreement and maybe getting clarification...
ETA, in case no one else has mentioned it: You can submit and resubmit as many times as you like before the deadline. I am paranoid after a wonky wifi connection at an AirBnB one year, so I start submitting as soon as I have a complete draft that's under word count. Then I resubmit every revision.


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Posted By: nixie
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 11:33pm
HeartHeart to you two for taking on the List. I am so looking forward to having time to *read again this year <hug>

To the Newbies:
1. Forget the contest. The BEST value of this joint is that it is the most helpful writers workshop you will ever get for fifty bucks. The judges are unpredictable and sometimes incomprehensible but the *writers are an awesome resource and network.

2. RTFM. Formatting, genre. One of the skills a writer needs to succeed is the ability to read the submission guidelines. Editors hate it when you ignore them. Practice here by reading the contest agreement, reading the genre definitions, and following the rules. (p.s. that includes posting conversations in *this forum and stories in the *contest forum :) )

3. Post your story. Even if you hate it. Even if you feel 'inferior." Feedback from people who understand what it takes to write to those prompts in this situation will make you better, as a writer, and less 'inferior' in your own mind.

4. Take the criticism as a gift. If someone totally hated your story - meh. But if they tell you *why they hated it, they are telling you the places to look to broaden your audience. 

5. It's OK to ask questions.  These forums are a friendly space.  Everyone was new here once. Ask a relevant question, no matter how silly it feels, and you'll get a useful answer..

6. It's OK to ask questions.  The general rule for writers is 'never respond to the reviews.' The comments here are not reviews. It's OK to 'engage' with writers who take the time to offer you feedback.  ("Engage" = "digging a little to better understand their meaning," "explaining what you were trying for and asking them how you missed that mark for them, or how it seemed different to them" Constructive convos. Arguing with a review/crit for the purpose of insisting you are right is obnoxious.  Bouncing the ball back and forth til you understand *why something didn't land the way you intended is 'learning.' We do that here.)

7. beta readers. If you aren't familiar with the idea - you are missing out on one of the best tools a writer can have. There's a spreadsheet. volunteer and find volunteers. what you turn in will be better. guaranteed.

8. Crit. Offer your opinion. You may feel uncertain about whether you 'know how' or 'have something to offer.' That's OK.  Read stories, then read the crits for them - you may find that someone else was able to articulate something you 'felt but didn't know how to say.' Well - now you know how to say it. (it's ok to 'echo' on the comments. "Bob337 explained my reaction to the carousel perfectly." it's ok that you're not offering something 'unique' - you're still telling the writer that 'more than one person felt this way'. As we try to sift through conflicting feedback, that helps us understand who the 'majority' is.)  The more you read, the more you try, the better you will get at it.  Til then, it's OK to say "I really liked this story" - but if you don't feel you can crit, then please try to keep going. "I liked this story BECAUSE...." talk about the character, the plot, or the description that made you like it. It's more useful to the writer than "I liked the story." It's more useful to you - because it will force you to think about *why you liked it - and learning to articulate that = learning to parse it out in your brain.  The better you can crit others, the better you can crit yourself, and use the crits you get.

9. Ignore every post about "what genre do you want/fear" and don't let it get you worked up. There are only two genres here: ones you know and are comfortable with (which are not a problem) and ones you don't know and will have a chance to dabble in (which are an opportunity to learn, to expand your skills as a writer, and to experiment with your writing). There is no such thing as a 'bad' genre. (Best story I ever wrote here is a genre I have never written in before or since - and I probably should). 

This is not a contest that you enter to "win" - all that contest nonsense is just a side gig.  You "win" by coming here, engaging with other writers, and using that engagement to make yourself and them better at the craft. Put your energy into that, and you can't lose.


Posted By: Lexiconundrum
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 11:35pm
I'm not sure if we can resubmit as many times as we like, this year. That was true in previous years,  but if you read the terms and conditions for this year, it looks like they are only accepting the first submission this time.


Posted By: nixie
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 11:38pm
Originally posted by Lexiconundrum Lexiconundrum wrote:

I'm not sure if we can resubmit as many times as we like, this year. That was true in previous years,  but if you read the terms and conditions for this year, it looks like they are only accepting the first submission this time.

and one win for 'read the contest agreement" lol :)  they have been updating and changing things the last few years - always good to make sure the rules are what we think they are.  Thanks Lexi!!


Posted By: ottersdaughter
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 11:43pm
Originally posted by nixie nixie wrote:

Originally posted by Lexiconundrum Lexiconundrum wrote:

I'm not sure if we can resubmit as many times as we like, this year. That was true in previous years,  but if you read the terms and conditions for this year, it looks like they are only accepting the first submission this time.

and one win for 'read the contest agreement" lol :)  they have been updating and changing things the last few years - always good to make sure the rules are what we think they are.  Thanks Lexi!!

A good reminder that it should be read even by those who've read it many times previously! I'll go reread, and post on the questions forum to get clarification if it still seems unclear to me...


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Posted By: nixie
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 11:46pm
Originally posted by ottersdaughter ottersdaughter wrote:

A good reminder that it should be read even by those who've read it many times previously! I'll go reread, and post on the questions forum to get clarification if it still seems unclear to me...

Thanks Otter - appreciate you checking in. Please, share what you find!



(and... "OTTER!!!!!!!!" <hug>)


Posted By: ottersdaughter
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 11:51pm
Originally posted by Lexiconundrum Lexiconundrum wrote:

I'm not sure if we can resubmit as many times as we like, this year. That was true in previous years,  but if you read the terms and conditions for this year, it looks like they are only accepting the first submission this time.

I don't see anything different in the "official rules & participation agreement" but it doesn't say anything about re-submissions either (it never did iirc).  Here's what it says in the FAQ on the Questions and Answers forum: 

I've noticed a mistake in the story I've submitted.  The deadline hasn't been reached yet.  Can I resubmit?

Yes.  Writers may submit as many times as they like until the submission deadline.  We take the last submission before the deadline for judging.

I'd like to assume that since that's still on the FAQ that that's still the case - but paranoid me is still going to ask!



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Posted By: Lexiconundrum
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2019 at 12:00am
this is the paragraph in the terms and conditions that seemed different to me:


“Creative Development” includes, but is not limited to, writing an ORIGINAL synopsis and short story, from first draft to 
final draft, within the Challenge Story Window. No revisions or missing pages will be accepted once the first attempt at 
an entry has been received by the LLC. Do NOT supplement your entry with any subsequent mailings or forwarding of 
documents, as such will be grounds for disqualification and forfeiture of any Entry Fee. All decisions as to compliance 
with the Challenge Story Windows are within the sole discretion of the LLC; and any such decisions by the LLC are final, 
conclusive, and binding upon all Entrants. 

I think it's around paragraph 16. Not sure how it affects resubmission rules.


Posted By: ottersdaughter
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2019 at 12:23am
Originally posted by Lexiconundrum Lexiconundrum wrote:

this is the paragraph in the terms and conditions that seemed different to me:

“Creative Development” includes, but is not limited to, writing an ORIGINAL synopsis and short story, from first draft to 
final draft, within the Challenge Story Window. No revisions or missing pages will be accepted once the first attempt at 
an entry has been received by the LLC. Do NOT supplement your entry with any subsequent mailings or forwarding of 
documents, as such will be grounds for disqualification and forfeiture of any Entry Fee. All decisions as to compliance 
with the Challenge Story Windows are within the sole discretion of the LLC; and any such decisions by the LLC are final, 
conclusive, and binding upon all Entrants. 

I think it's around paragraph 16. Not sure how it affects resubmission rules.

I totally didn't catch that; thank you for posting it. The Q&A FAQ hasn't been updated since 2016, so I've asked over there to try and clarify, but it can take a day or two for them to reply in my experience.

Originally posted by nixie nixie wrote:

(and... "OTTER!!!!!!!!" <hug>)

Aww!! *hugs*


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2016 FFC & ShSc Finalist


Posted By: nixie
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2019 at 12:45am
yup, para 16 sure enough...   hunh. can't tell if that's new or if they just never enforced it before...


Posted By: steph9289
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2019 at 12:50am
Check the email they sent the prompt link in!! It says multiple submissions are FINE. :)

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Posted By: ottersdaughter
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2019 at 12:55am
Originally posted by steph9289 steph9289 wrote:

Check the email they sent the prompt link in!! It says multiple submissions are FINE. :)

And that is the sound of the Universe hitting me over the head a *third* time about reading all the things! LOL

The relevant bit in the email exactly matches (in meaning) what's on the FAQ. Thank you Steph!


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2016 FFC & ShSc Finalist


Posted By: ottersdaughter
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2019 at 1:02am
duplicate - oops!

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2016 FFC & ShSc Finalist


Posted By: nixie
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2019 at 1:22am
Originally posted by ottersdaughter ottersdaughter wrote:


The relevant bit in the email exactly matches (in meaning) what's on the FAQ. Thank you Steph!

Operational Rule: If they post conflicting instructions, you get to follow the one that is most convenient for you.  If you get dinged for it - you get to hit them over the head with the version you followed. 




Posted By: Lexiconundrum
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2019 at 8:36am
ok, I guess I was getting overly concerned with the details :) if they've said it's ok in two places, that should negate an obscure paragraph in the fine print!



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