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Topic: QUESTION: Preparing for Round 3
Posted By: Littledaylight
Subject: QUESTION: Preparing for Round 3
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2019 at 8:29pm
*DISCLAIMER: I'm not assuming I'll make it to round 3, I'm just hopeful*

This is my first year participating in the short story challenge. I find myself with a lot of questions:) If anyone can help answer them, I'd be so grateful.
**In case I make it to round 3, I want to be prepared**

What does round 3 generally look like? Are there still 3 prompts given, or is the genre up to each writer? (I noticed other winning stories said "open genre".) 

Other writers who have made it to finals in the past... what kind of preparation did you do before the 24 hours started, to help yourself focus and be mentally ready for the challenge? What mistakes did you make that you'll avoid this time? 

I know we have quite a long wait before the results come out, but I thought I'd take advantage of the forum being so active right now and get my questions out there. 

Thanks in advance!!


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Posted By: roccapia
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2019 at 8:32pm
They usually only give you two prompts; the genre is left blank.

I've only made it up to the final round once, and didn't place. I didn't really prepare for it at all, because it's so hard to prepare anything for this contest, but I think if I make it through this time, I'll definitely try to decide on what genre I want ahead of time (with a backup just in case) and maybe sketch out a theme, although that never seems to work once I see the prompts.


I'll also make damn sure I have a place lined up to go to where there will be no distractions whatsoever. Not sure where that would be. The moon, maybe.

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Posted By: KevinC
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2019 at 8:44pm
Yeah. I'm thinking the only thing you can really prepare for in advance is a safe distraction free environment for the day. Plan to have that space...just in case. 


Posted By: lisafox10800
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2019 at 9:12pm
Open genre can be terrifying. Have a general idea going in about what genres you may want to write about. In my last two finals I basically put the genres in order of my comfort with them. Can this be a sci-fi? If yes, done. If no, how about drama? If yes, done. If no, what about horror? (I landed on Drama in Flash and Sci-Fi/Drama in Short Screenplay as a result).

Without making some decisions on genre (and building that "third fence" if you will) it's easy to be caught like a deer in headlights. Especially with the Short Story (and longer Screenplay) comps, with just 24 hours in the final, it's insane. (My very first final round was in Screenplay a few years back. I did NOT discipline myself, went into a total panic, and produced the strangest thing I'd ever written. To this day I have no idea what genre it was. It was just weird).

So. A clear calendar. And a strategy. That's what's worked for me, anyway. Everyone is different.

Good luck!


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Posted By: MrLipto
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2019 at 9:52pm
Originally posted by lisafox10800 lisafox10800 wrote:

Open genre can be terrifying. Have a general idea going in about what genres you may want to write about

So. A clear calendar. And a strategy. That's what's worked for me, anyway. Everyone is different.

Good luck!

Fox knows what’s up.

Also discipline. Have an idea, commit to it, tell your inner-editor to wait outside. Get it written.


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Posted By: chrissie0707
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2019 at 10:13pm
The open genre tripped me up HARD last year. I'd already decided on selecting a genre ahead of time (should I make it again) or putting a few on index cards and drawing one to use as a third prompt. The genre really does help shape your story, especially with such a short time frame.

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Posted By: td333777
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 12:13am
I made the finals in both Flash and Short Story last year, and I have to say Short Story is a much more difficult beast because of the 24hr limit.  My advice would be NOT to start writing Friday night when the prompts come out.  The window is tight, and I know that seems counterintuitive but BECAUSE the window is so short, you need to be SURE your idea is the one you see to the end.  Unlike other rounds, you can’t dump an idea that’s not working after 400-500 words and start over.  Take a few hours, make sure you’ve got a fully formed idea in place, then start writing.  As always, it’s free advice and probably worth what you paid for it—but it’s worked for me, multiple times.


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Posted By: northernwriter
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 2:58am
Originally posted by td333777 td333777 wrote:

I made the finals in both Flash and Short Story last year, and I have to say Short Story is a much more difficult beast because of the 24hr limit.  My advice would be NOT to start writing Friday night when the prompts come out.  The window is tight, and I know that seems counterintuitive but BECAUSE the window is so short, you need to be SURE your idea is the one you see to the end.  Unlike other rounds, you can’t dump an idea that’s not working after 400-500 words and start over.  Take a few hours, make sure you’ve got a fully formed idea in place, then start writing.  As always, it’s free advice and probably worth what you paid for it—but it’s worked for me, multiple times.

I have not made it to the finals (first time with SSC) but I think this is fantastic advice and I remember you stated something similar once before. This round, I spent two days working on a draft I struggled with before scrapping the whole thing and starting fresh with less than 24 hours to go. If I had spent more time deciding on my story and really owning what I wanted to do (instead of trying what I thought I was supposed to do), I would have been better off. I don’t necessarily anticipate moving forward this time, but this is very sound advice on writing with any tight deadline. 

Good luck to everyone competing in this round!


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Posted By: Seacore
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 7:29am
I've been daydreaming about how I'd approach Round 3 if I placed, which is looking unlikely given the high level of talent in round 2.

On the east coast of Australia, it's 2pm Saturday to 2pm Sunday. As a dad of young children, this means I'll basically have from 9pm until I pass out around 2am to write my story. I might be able to sneak some editing in on Sunday, but that's unlikely. Still 2pm-9pm I'll be writing like mad in my head, which is where I do a lot of it anyway.




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Posted By: Random
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 9:36am
Originally posted by roccapia roccapia wrote:


I'll also make damn sure I have a place lined up to go to where there will be no distractions whatsoever. Not sure where that would be. The moon, maybe.


Given the statistical chances of me making the final are slightly less than Pluto crashing into the earth I chose Paris as my 'no distraction' location.  More accurately, 'check out of one hotel, return the rental car, take a train to Paris, check into another hotel'.  This is due in part to knowing what happened to Paris in the movie Armageddon; very peaceful once you get past that initial dusty bit.

Come to think of it I sign up for this because there's no chance of making the second round.  Now I need to pack a laptop...

I pretty much ignore genre anymore.  A judge nicked me for that in the first round; apparently a little contrived slobbering dosen't qualify as 'romance'.  Historical Fiction isn't even a genre, neither is science fiction.  Lately I write what the prompts tell me to write, and try to fit whatever genre they give me into it somewhere, so that part doesn't concern me as much.

Honestly, I ignore the 'competition' part of the contest now, and that makes it much, much more fun.  This is my writing class; I managed to convince one of the best writers here to help me with betas.

A consistent POV and 'show, don't tell' are the weak areas I'm currently working on.  That and gerund squashing, of course.


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Posted By: Alex Grey
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 9:46am
I was sad not to even get through to Round 2 as Round 3 is on my birthday and, in my mind, I would have been writing a marvellous short story fuelled by prosecco and cake - alas, what might have been...:-D


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Posted By: Random
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 9:51am
Originally posted by Alex Grey Alex Grey wrote:

I was sad not to even get through to Round 2 as Round 3 is on my birthday and, in my mind, I would have been writing a marvellous short story fuelled by prosecco and cake - alas, what might have been...:-D


Now, a stress free, relaxing birthday fueled by Prosecco and cake!  How awesome is this?

Happy birthday in advance!


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Posted By: Cassalass
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 9:57am
I'm glad you asked this as it's all unfamiliar to me too. I'm thinking I'm going to chicken out and write a part two of my round 1 story as people seemed to like that one. It probably is not an issue though. My round 2 story is not really working for reviewers on the forum so I don't expect it will for the judges.

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Posted By: manifestlynot
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 10:00am
Write what you know. The finals prompts are always very vague and leave lots of room for interpretation (2018 screenplay finals were open genre/homemade/a loner), which is great but also terrifying. You are typically also up against the best of the best, so your story has to stand out.

That’s why you write what you know. The judges like genre mashups that are done skillfully and incorporate the prompts in a creative way, so make sure one of those genres is your comfort zone, and the other one is something bold and atypical.

And I echo the need for time to find the right idea. In Screenplay I wrote five false starts, including one totally finished and submittable draft, before the idea hit me a few hours before deadline and I wrote that instead. I got 4th place on that one, while in Short Screenplay I committed to an idea I didn’t love and got an HM. You have to love it in order to write it well.


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Posted By: Lisa_Who
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 11:06am
I did a repeat of what I did before Round 2--I told my boss I might have to take Friday DDMMM off but I wouldn't know until Wednesday of that week, and he was cool with it for Round 2, and in the incredibly unlikely chance I make it to Round 3, he says he's cool with me doing so for that week as well. :D I honestly can't think of anything else that would actually be a meaningful preparation activity! 


Posted By: awayatpost
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 12:14pm
Last time I made it to round 3, I had sketched out a very general outline beforehand, thinking I could then customize it to the prompts once I got them. I'm very weak on both plotting and being concise, and I thought if I created a "one size fits all" outline, it would help me avoid panic in a situation that played up my two biggest flaws. Pro: I did not panic. Con: the prompts really didn't fit the outline, and trying to shoehorn them in resulted in a weak story that did not place. I probably would have been better off abandoning it and starting with a new idea, but I didn't, because I'd already committed to the outline. So this year? I'm going to prepare *three* outlines. (Sigh.) 

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Posted By: chrissie0707
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 1:31pm
Originally posted by awayatpost awayatpost wrote:

Last time I made it to round 3, I had sketched out a very general outline beforehand, thinking I could then customize it to the prompts once I got them. I'm very weak on both plotting and being concise, and I thought if I created a "one size fits all" outline, it would help me avoid panic in a situation that played up my two biggest flaws. Pro: I did not panic. Con: the prompts really didn't fit the outline, and trying to shoehorn them in resulted in a weak story that did not place. I probably would have been better off abandoning it and starting with a new idea, but I didn't, because I'd already committed to the outline. So this year? I'm going to prepare *three* outlines. (Sigh.) 

While I know we're all on the honor system here, I think that might *technically* be cheating. I'm pretty sure on the Rules page it states that all creation must take place during the contest time. I definitely wouldn't advertise here that's your plan.


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Posted By: Random
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 1:57pm
Originally posted by chrissie0707 chrissie0707 wrote:

Originally posted by awayatpost awayatpost wrote:

Last time I made it to round 3, I had sketched out a very general outline beforehand, thinking I could then customize it to the prompts once I got them. I'm very weak on both plotting and being concise, and I thought if I created a "one size fits all" outline, it would help me avoid panic in a situation that played up my two biggest flaws. Pro: I did not panic. Con: the prompts really didn't fit the outline, and trying to shoehorn them in resulted in a weak story that did not place. I probably would have been better off abandoning it and starting with a new idea, but I didn't, because I'd already committed to the outline. So this year? I'm going to prepare *three* outlines. (Sigh.) 

While I know we're all on the honor system here, I think that might *technically* be cheating. I'm pretty sure on the Rules page it states that all creation must take place during the contest time. I definitely wouldn't advertise here that's your plan.


All “Creative Development” for the stories created must take place within the window of time between: (A) the date and time of start of each Round (“Genre, Subject & Character Announcement”); and (B) the date and time of the end of each challenge (“Story Submission Deadline”).

The only fuzzy term I see is 'Creative Development'. 

It's a hard rule to enforce unless you have a written confession, like someone announcing their entry is another installment of a series they write (preexisting characters, etc).  I saw that here once, don't remember who or when.




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Posted By: awayatpost
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 1:59pm
I did no drafting; not a single line. This was on the order of thinking about what scenarios, conflicts, characters, plots would work well in a compressed word count. If that's cheating, then I'm chronically guilty, as I think about these ideas and jot notes all the time. 

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Posted By: J-HardyCarroll
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 2:09pm
The tightening timelines force us to do what we did before, only more efficiently. Find a good story, draft it out, refine and rewrite, read it to somebody, do it again. You can bang out 1500 words in a couple of hours, but the meat of the work is in revision. I'd suggest practicing by doing some shorter pieces in the meantime. Improve your skills at telling a clear story, using POV well, and (above all) creating empathy with your character. There will only be a few who advance, and fewer still who win.

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Posted By: lisafox10800
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 2:51pm
Originally posted by J-HardyCarroll J-HardyCarroll wrote:

The tightening timelines force us to do what we did before, only more efficiently. Find a good story, draft it out, refine and rewrite, read it to somebody, do it again. You can bang out 1500 words in a couple of hours, but the meat of the work is in revision. I'd suggest practicing by doing some shorter pieces in the meantime. Improve your skills at telling a clear story, using POV well, and (above all) creating empathy with your character. There will only be a few who advance, and fewer still who win.

^^ This. Only a small proportion of my time, in any of these contests, is spent on actually writing. It's the tearing things apart and putting them back together that takes the most time. Which is why I usually try to land on an idea early, for better or worse.




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Posted By: Littledaylight
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 3:09pm
This is all really good information so far.
I hope it's not cheating to keep a list of story & conflict ideas, because don't many of us do that all the time anyway?

Really smart advice to wait and not start writing the night of... You have to give your mind time to process the prompts, and also give your story time to find itself before you find it, if that makes sense.

@Cassalass.... I love your story, don't get down about it. Every person is different so maybe the judges will love it too! 



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Posted By: jennifer.quail
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 5:42pm
I always have ideas and characters in my head. The question is are any of them usable once I get the prompts. (Like a perfectly decent spy I keep kicking around who NEVER has anywhere to go. Yet. She'll be useful for something someday, I just haven't run into it yet.)

Ideas are easy. Every writer always has thousands, more than they can ever use. It's getting them down in a coherent form that makes sense to other people and doesn't sound like the deranged ramblings of that one guy on the bus (you know the one.) Since I went so far off the romcom reservation I'm sure I won't make finals but if I do I'm not locking myself into any genre in my head until I see theme/character. Though I guess that's not as bad as flash and object. I mean, thermostat?


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Posted By: Cassalass
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 7:02pm
this convo seems to be orbiting a similar question I had after making a big mistake this round. I had several ideas for stories regarding general topics that I thought would be good to brainstorm mentally ahead of time. I spent the first 36 hours writing about one mashed into my prompts parameters. It SUCKED. My readers gave me little more than a hmmm and ummm except a couple brave souls who told me outright it was awful. I stared at the ceiling for hours until a hunky muse appeared and gave me a new idea. A better idea based on the prompts. My panicky brain wants to prepare but it's probably better to wait and call upon the muses if it comes to it. The question is

Is that what it's like when you go pro? Do you check calls for submissions and then write within the parameters? Or do you write what you are inspired to and then see which calls fit with your work?


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Posted By: nod1v1ng
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2019 at 7:21pm
Originally posted by Cassalass Cassalass wrote:

Is that what it's like when you go pro? Do you check calls for submissions and then write within the parameters? Or do you write what you are inspired to and then see which calls fit with your work?

I’m not “pro” but I did publish 14 shorts last year. Made enough money to take myself on a little vacation. Aside from some contest pieces, they were all written independently, as the muse hit, and then I shopped them out. 

As for Short Story, should I advance to R3, the only thing I’d plan is making sure I had the free time. I know what my strengths are and I’d wait until prompts dropped and then use them to highlight those strengths. Trying to have specific characters or conflicts or genres or worlds and trying to shoehorn the prompts to the preconceived ideas seems like a recipe for a forced piece. 


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Posted By: SEHBicycle
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2019 at 11:37pm
Originally posted by Littledaylight Littledaylight wrote:

What does round 3 generally look like?
As folks have probably said, it's open genre. Think about what you have most fun writing, then see if the prompts align with that genre and generate your ideas.

Originally posted by Littledaylight Littledaylight wrote:

Other writers who have made it to finals in the past... what kind of preparation did you do before the 24 hours started, to help yourself focus and be mentally ready for the challenge? What mistakes did you make that you'll avoid this time?
I've made it once, and my biggest mistake was not being in my own writing environment--was doing a visit that same weekend. BIG mistake. Second mistake, giving myself TOO much time to generate the idea and draft. By the time I had something resembling a first draft, I didn't have a lot of time to get beta feedback. My stories are so much better when other writers help me find the plot holes.

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Posted By: stephenmatlock
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2019 at 9:38am
Originally posted by jennifer.quail jennifer.quail wrote:

I always have ideas and characters in my head...


Yeah, this.

I'm good at writing one hour flash, and can pound out 1200 words of a story that holds together well.

But then it's the editing, and the larger view of "how is this story compelling/interesting/revealing/emotionally touching?"

That's where the work comes in.

I find that the first drafts are for general construction and plotting, but then the later revisions are due to me seeing the themes that are hidden in my words. If I'm really really observant, my revisions are where the on-the-nose lines are cut, which are just my notes to myself of how something should develop.

I've made it to Round 2 a few times, but never to the finals. Air is too thin to breathe up there, is what I tell myself.


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Posted By: jennifer.quail
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2019 at 10:17am
Originally posted by stephenmatlock stephenmatlock wrote:

Originally posted by jennifer.quail jennifer.quail wrote:

I always have ideas and characters in my head...


Yeah, this.

I'm good at writing one hour flash, and can pound out 1200 words of a story that holds together well.

But then it's the editing, and the larger view of "how is this story compelling/interesting/revealing/emotionally touching?"

That's where the work comes in.

I find that the first drafts are for general construction and plotting, but then the later revisions are due to me seeing the themes that are hidden in my words. If I'm really really observant, my revisions are where the on-the-nose lines are cut, which are just my notes to myself of how something should develop.

I've made it to Round 2 a few times, but never to the finals. Air is too thin to breathe up there, is what I tell myself.

If I could get what was in my head to come out in a coherent, organized way just like it is in there, I would be happy. And it's always a question whether I've got someone I can sort of slot into a situation somehow, or I'll have to dredge up someone new (though Laurie_H could tell you with me it's usually consistent variations on a theme.) Or more likely, someone who's not new but has only been knocking around in the back of my head without direction. 

I don't really do drafts, though. Especially on a short deadline if I get ONE version done in the time allotted, great, but in general I write it, then both edit as I go (which keeps me from getting bored, which I do at the drop of a hat) and go back and tweak. If something sells there'll be at least one more pass, probably two, with the editors. But by the time I get around to writing something down it's usually more or less in the form it's going to take. Most annoying is discovering as I go something I had in my head isn't going to fit, either at all or within confines of word count. With the latter I kind of mentally file it away and hope it'll be useful someday. 


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Posted By: Tricksie
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2019 at 5:08pm
I like to get the prompt Friday night, brainstorm for a while and type up some notes/ideas until I find something I kind of think might work, fall asleep thinking about it, get up and write a draft. I do a lot of edit-as-I-go with this kind of short turnaround, get a decent draft in shape, run it past some peeps, then do some editing and revisions. I usually stick to my genres of choice (SFF stuff). 

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Posted By: trish1206
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2019 at 11:51am
Preparation is the kiss of death!  I have made it into one final and came out of it in third place overall.  I will tell you that I was completely unprepared, but that's the best way to go in.  Any preconceived notions will trip you up because if you can't make it work with the assignment, you'll get blocked.

I wouldn't even think about what genre you WANT to write in, because you might have to force it to work with your prompts and it won't flow.

Just keep your mind open and your calendar clear.  And good luck!




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Posted By: RichmondRoad
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2019 at 6:36am
I am highly unlikely to feature in the 3rd round (and was staggered to do so in the 2nd) so I do not speak from a position of authority. But I agree with Trish - preparing specifically for round 3 seems a bit pointless. If you have aspirations as a writer then you have already been preparing for some time ... the next few weeks is unlikely to make a lot of difference.

If you get a thumbs up from the judges then you just pick up your pen again and see what happens. That’s what we do. 

Isn’t it?

It does perhaps depend on your perspective, though. Are you trying to win a writing competition or are you trying to write? Would winning this thing mean more than writing something that you could proudly hang your hat on? I know what I would prefer.

I hope that it goes without saying that I have, thus far, written nothing of the sort.

But I will continue entering this competition in the hope that the inspiration it provokes might lead to a day that I might.


Posted By: awayatpost
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2019 at 7:26am
Originally posted by RichmondRoad RichmondRoad wrote:



It does perhaps depend on your perspective, though. Are you trying to win a writing competition or are you trying to write? Would winning this thing mean more than writing something that you could proudly hang your hat on? I know what I would prefer.

I hope that it goes without saying that I have, thus far, written nothing of the sort.

But I will continue entering this competition in the hope that the inspiration it provokes might lead to a day that I might.


I'll respond, since I was the one (unfairly) accused on here.

If I enter a competition, it's safe to say that among my goals for doing so is winning the competition. I don't see a dichotomy between doing that and "trying to write" or trying to create something to "hang [my] hat on" (note: wood works better). But that's because I'm not trying to "Create Art."

Possibly because I'm coming to creative writing after retiring from a long career as a political speechwriter and journalist, when I sit down to write something I'm not trying to commune with The Muse, I'm thinking, "okay, x number of words, here's my deadline, here's what I know about my audience and how they'll respond, here's the top three things I want to convey, go." Creativity within a framework of rules -- what I think of as writing within the sonnet form, regardless of whether I'm actually writing a sonnet (and who writes sonnets these days?), that's what I enjoy.

Perhaps this is just the age-old debate between "Art" and craft. Happy and proud crafter here.
I'm not critiquing anyone who happens to get their dopamine squirt from aspiring to Art. I don't know you. But maybe back off the prescriptivist musings in return? Just a thought.


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Posted By: Littledaylight
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2019 at 12:05pm
Originally posted by awayatpost awayatpost wrote:

If I enter a competition, it's safe to say that among my goals for doing so is winning the competition. 

This is a very good point. Of course we all have the opportunity to benefit from the review forum, and just practice writing in general through the challenge... but I didn't pay the entry fee for that. I payed it for a chance to win. 
It's a competition! Or "challenge", whatever! Of course I want to put my best effort forward and cross my fingers that I'll place well.

I've been reading a lot of Brené Brown... one thing I learned is that we have a tendency to downplay our hopes and dreams, for fear of embarrassment if they don't turn out. We falsely believe our disappointment will be less if we don't publicize our excitement, and if we tell ourselves we don't really care so much at all. Instead, that sabotages our chance for an authentic experience of joy if our hopes DO come true. It's okay to admit your dreams and how much you want them. 

I would love to win this competition.

That doesn't mean I think I WILL. But I sure would love it and I'm certainly aiming for it! Proudly:)


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Posted By: Tricksie
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2019 at 3:48pm
I think we'd all like to win. I mean, I'd love to win. I also love the way this contest in particular allows me to write things I would NEVER have written otherwise in genres that aren't my thing. 

And I write at least 5 days a week, regardless of this competition. 

But...HELL YEAH, I'd like to win. 


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Posted By: The_Duke
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2019 at 8:48pm
I just discovered that the 3rd round begins almost precisely as I board an international flight for my sister's wedding. Going to have to start making some detailed plans for if I make it through! =/

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Posted By: jennifer.quail
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2019 at 9:38pm
Originally posted by RichmondRoad RichmondRoad wrote:


It does perhaps depend on your perspective, though. Are you trying to win a writing competition or are you trying to write? Would winning this thing mean more than writing something that you could proudly hang your hat on? I know what I would prefer.

From the NYCM website:

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1st Place

• USD$5,000 Cash

• One (1) Complete Self-Publishing Package from BookBaby (valued at USD$1,299). The Complete Self-Publishing Package includes 25 custom printed books, professional cover design, eBook conversion and distribution, worldwide distribution with Print on Demand, Direct-to-reader sales with BookShop, and an ISBN for your book.

• 1 WriteItNow 5 Download (valued at US$59.95).  WriteItNow is a program for writing and organizing novels. It has sections for chapters, characters, locations, events, notes and ideas. It includes a storyboard, timeline, writing prompts, spellchecker, thesaurus and readability calculator.  WriteItNow was awarded the 2017 and 2018 Gold and Excellence awards by TopTenReviews. It runs on PCs and Macs.

• 1 copy of Scrivener for Mac OS X or Windows from Literature and Latte (valued at US $45).  Tailor-made for long writing projects, Scrivener provides everything need to craft your first draft. Used by best-selling novelists, screenwriters, lawyers, students, journalists and more, Scrivener brings together tools familiar to writers everywhere in new and exciting ways.


2-6th get cash along with prizes, too.

I can write a better-than-decent story that I can likely sell for at least semi-pro rates any day. If I make it that far, the odds might be long, but it would be nice to win. And supposedly these people actually pay (FictionWar owes me $1100 at the moment. I'm not holding my breath.) 

However, since by pure coincidence I now don't have to work on that Friday, there's zero chance I'll make it to round three. I still have notions in my head, but I always have SOMETHING I can pull out if I need an idea. The question would be what would fit the prompts? That's the kicker, the big thing you can't possibly prepare for.


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Posted By: td333777
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 1:02am
Oh trust me, they pay.  I’ve gotten checks twice, both times within three weeks of the end of the contest.  Plus they give you a 1099 form for your taxes. ;)

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Posted By: Seacore
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 1:07am
I'm definitely on the side that says it's perfectly reasonable to consider if its possible to prepare for spending 24 hours writing a 1.5k piece capable of winning this competition.

The answer on whether it is indeed possible is harder. And harder again is the how. And it all depends on the kind of writer you are. Some people might gain nothing out of preparing for this. Others might practice throwing together pairs of prompts into feasible ideas. Others (and I'm one of them) should probably try writing a few 1.5k word stories on any subject, just so I know how long they are. (2K words sped past me and it definitely hurt my round 2 story).

I think it's unfair to suggest that anybody trying to win is some kind of lesser writer. 


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Posted By: RichmondRoad
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 5:23am
Oh, goodness. I certainly was not trying to ‘accuse’ anyone of anything - and I certainly intended no offence.

What I was trying to say (very poorly, it seems) is that the winning piece will be one of great writing (have a look at the examples provided on the website - they all intimidate me and blow me away) and that I believe we do our best writing without adopting a tactical approach. Though I may well be wrong.

The fact that people can successfully submit stories written here to publishers elsewhere seems to suggest that conforming closely to the constraints of the competition is not really the important thing. In the end I don’t think that the prompts or how you react to them is what sways the judges .... good writing will win in the end.

And don’t get me wrong .... I’d love to win it. And I’d love to write something that I was genuinely proud of. Ideally the two events would coincide, but if I had to choose between one or the other then I would opt for the later. I perfectly understand if somebody has the opposite view.

Most importantly, though ... I am horrified to think that I may have caused any offence and apologise unreservedly if I have done so.


Posted By: Random
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 8:40am
Originally posted by jennifer.quail jennifer.quail wrote:

• 1 copy of Scrivener for Mac OS X or Windows from Literature and Latte (valued at US $45).  Tailor-made for long writing projects, Scrivener provides everything need to craft your first draft. Used by best-selling novelists, screenwriters, lawyers, students, journalists and more, Scrivener brings together tools familiar to writers everywhere in new and exciting ways.


Oh!  There's a better way (than Word) for this, asks the guy with a copy of FD11 that only gets used during NYCM screenwriting challenges?

For $45 this is worth a try.  Now I have to wonder why I never bothered to look before...probably because I'm a Luddite.  Or old.  Or all of the above.


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Posted By: jennifer.quail
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 2:40pm
Originally posted by Random Random wrote:

Originally posted by jennifer.quail jennifer.quail wrote:

• 1 copy of Scrivener for Mac OS X or Windows from Literature and Latte (valued at US $45).  Tailor-made for long writing projects, Scrivener provides everything need to craft your first draft. Used by best-selling novelists, screenwriters, lawyers, students, journalists and more, Scrivener brings together tools familiar to writers everywhere in new and exciting ways.


Oh!  There's a better way (than Word) for this, asks the guy with a copy of FD11 that only gets used during NYCM screenwriting challenges?

For $45 this is worth a try.  Now I have to wonder why I never bothered to look before...probably because I'm a Luddite.  Or old.  Or all of the above.

Eh, I'm totally uninterested in the software prizes, as I guarantee I will never use them (I got a $20 copy of Scrivner and never bothered getting it off  my old laptop.) WAY too much crap to dink around with and it will all have to end up in RTF or DOC at the end of the day anyway. If I did screenplays it might be worth the effort for the easier formatting, though. 


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Posted By: Random
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 3:38pm
Originally posted by jennifer.quail jennifer.quail wrote:

Eh, I'm totally uninterested in the software prizes, as I guarantee I will never use them (I got a $20 copy of Scrivner and never bothered getting it off  my old laptop.) WAY too much crap to dink around with and it will all have to end up in RTF or DOC at the end of the day anyway. If I did screenplays it might be worth the effort for the easier formatting, though. 


Prizes?  First you have to win something.  I'm expecting my next NYCM writing task to fall sometime in July; last year I had to skip Flash Fiction, this year I'm looking forward to my first attempt.  Okay, I've won a couple prizes from Woodsmith magazine, including the Grand Poobah prize, but neither of those were for writing.

If all I wanted was a way to bang out text I could use vi.  I'm interested for the organization and, oh by the way, it's not Microsoft, which is good for a few points as well.  I'm tired of juggling data on my large project, and getting it all in one place is worth the price of admission.

Apart from which there are a few stories I did for NYCM that might get revisited if time allows, and this seems like a good place to keep everything needed to do that together.  Apparently people  here perform some strange ritual called "publishing", and that has a certain appeal.  Getting paid for something I actually enjoy?  Cool!

Half tempted to use it at work for all the policies and procedures; I could do global searches and find things easier. 

Now if only I could believe the habit of using two spaces between sentences is actually bad.  Compared so some of the other silliness I see in print that seems as harmless as it gets.


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Posted By: Zelda
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 4:48pm
Originally posted by RichmondRoad RichmondRoad wrote:


Most importantly, though ... I am horrified to think that I may have caused any offence and apologise unreservedly if I have done so.

Oh my!! No worries! I wasn't offended! You raise an interesting issue, and I think it's a point that has merit for discussion. 

I definitely write for the contest in the sense that they assign the promps (especially the genre). It goes without saying I'd never write... I don't know... political satire if the judges weren't asking me to. So I think there's a beauty in this contest that we wind up writing something we'd never write otherwise, and it might indeed be very well written! Smile In some ways, I try to give the judges what they want, but I'd never be able to write or submit something that didn't ring true to my inner world. Interesting topic indeed! 


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Posted By: awayatpost
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 5:54pm
Originally posted by RichmondRoad RichmondRoad wrote:

Oh, goodness. I certainly was not trying to ‘accuse’ anyone of anything - and I certainly intended no offence.

Most importantly, though ... I am horrified to think that I may have caused any offence and apologise unreservedly if I have done so.


I wasn't grumpy with you per se. I was surprised (and made grumpy) earlier in this thread to be told I was cheating because I said I think about a potential story frame before the 3rd round, and I read your message as piling on. But you weren't, so all's fine.

Actually, I find people's discussion of process fascinating, and wish they'd say more about prep, however defined. Mine is extremely neurotic. I have a complete terror of the blank page, so I always spend some time before writing anything creating either a frame for the story's shape, with some jottings about themes, or a sort of "scaffold" for the opening -- the backstory, or what happens right before the story. Most of the time, I don't end up using any of the scaffold at all. (And re-reading them later, I'm not surprised -- I rarely have a clue what I meant.) But for me, writing about writing somehow helps me focus and makes the act of finding the story more like easing into the water rather than jumping off the diving board.


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Posted By: Seacore
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 6:48pm
I'm interested in the software, and I'm considering purchasing it outright or at least playing with something like One Note instead of Word.

My main project is an urban fantasy novel, in which there's a bunch of magical rules, a few different realms, characters, hierarchies and stuff. Tabbed pages and notes would make all of that a lot easier to keep straight.


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Posted By: jennifer.quail
Date Posted: 01 May 2019 at 7:47pm
Originally posted by Random Random wrote:


Prizes?  First you have to win something.  I'm expecting my next NYCM writing task to fall sometime in July; last year I had to skip Flash Fiction, this year I'm looking forward to my first attempt.  Okay, I've won a couple prizes from Woodsmith magazine, including the Grand Poobah prize, but neither of those were for writing.

If all I wanted was a way to bang out text I could use vi.  I'm interested for the organization and, oh by the way, it's not Microsoft, which is good for a few points as well.  I'm tired of juggling data on my large project, and getting it all in one place is worth the price of admission.

Apart from which there are a few stories I did for NYCM that might get revisited if time allows, and this seems like a good place to keep everything needed to do that together.  Apparently people  here perform some strange ritual called "publishing", and that has a certain appeal.  Getting paid for something I actually enjoy?  Cool!

Half tempted to use it at work for all the policies and procedures; I could do global searches and find things easier. 

Now if only I could believe the habit of using two spaces between sentences is actually bad.  Compared so some of the other silliness I see in print that seems as harmless as it gets.

I understand WHY that annoys editors, as they have to go in and change it, but it's such a hard habit to break when you learned on typewriters!

I can save a document with the important parts (Shunn: margins, double-space, TNR font as everyone wants either that or Courier but some don't want Courier, indents not tabs, my info in the corner, no headers as 99% of places don't want them and some actively hate them because they ARE a hassle to strip) and that's...really, what else is there for stories beyond putting in text?  My only eccentricity is I really prefer WordPerfect, but the comment/track changes function in Word is really popular with some editors and not compatible if you open it in another program. I found Scrivner just full of extraneous stuff I have no use for since an editor will do the layout they want, and I don't need 6000 notes or outlines and only handwrite any I do (not many; I don't take notes for shorts, and the more I outline a book-length work the less likely I will ever touch it again.) 

If I had to work the day of Round 3 I'd totally get through. Since I have it off I'll bomb out this round. That's just how it always works. 


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Posted By: chrissie0707
Date Posted: 02 May 2019 at 1:29pm
Okay, party people. I went back through the Official Rules and Participation agreement (instead of doing the work I SHOULD be doing) and found the following:

17. Preparations - The ONLY work that may take place in connection with the Contest prior to the date and time of the genre, Subject and Character announcements in each challenge, is the preparation, execution, and submission of required documents to NYC Midnight Movie Making Madness, LLC.

I do apologize to anyone who may have felt attacked by a prior comment made regarding story prep going into the third round. It wasn't meant to be one. But at the same time, I have a hard time feeling that it's in the spirit of the competition to prepare story outlines specifically for a round before the prompts come out, and it is stated here in the rules that no work should be done for the contest before the prompts are released.

As writers, OF COURSE we are all constantly thinking of characters and stories, and are inspired by the things we see and hear on a daily basis. But we shouldn't be specifically prepping anything story- or character-related for the third round prior to 11:59PM EST on May 17.

I wish everyone the best!

(Is anyone else getting twitchy waiting for results???)

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Posted By: Random
Date Posted: 02 May 2019 at 2:04pm
Originally posted by chrissie0707 chrissie0707 wrote:

Okay, party people. I went back through the Official Rules and Participation agreement (instead of doing the work I SHOULD be doing) and found the following:

17. Preparations - The ONLY work that may take place in connection with the Contest prior to the date and time of the genre, Subject and Character announcements in each challenge, is the preparation, execution, and submission of required documents to NYC Midnight Movie Making Madness, LLC.

(Is anyone else getting twitchy waiting for results???)


I'm creatively deciding whether or not I care about two spaces between sentences.  I'm also going to pack a laptop this weekend, and I'm sure it will be very artfully included.  Otherwise I refuse to worry about a problem that hasn't happened yet, so no, not even a little twitchy.

I'm far more concerned about the plane arriving too late to catch the train that will take us to our automobile.


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Posted By: jennifer.quail
Date Posted: 02 May 2019 at 7:44pm
Any outline would inevitably be blown out of the water by the setting (or object in flash. The worst I've gotten so far? Thermostat.)

I'm BORED waiting for results. I have other stuff I could be working on but I'd love to know if I have to worry about this or not. 


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Posted By: Seacore
Date Posted: 02 May 2019 at 8:00pm
Furious Fiction starts their monthly flash contest in a few hours.

I don't quite know why I'm advertising it to a room full of strong competition, but there I went.


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Posted By: Lisa_Who
Date Posted: 02 May 2019 at 8:49pm
Originally posted by chrissie0707 chrissie0707 wrote:

Is anyone else getting twitchy waiting for results???

YES.  Now that I've been through this scenario once, I have come to the conclusion that I start to twitch about 2 weeks prior to results.  Seriously, I'm totally fine right up til that point but at T-minus 2 weeks...I start to gradually lose it. Smile


Posted By: chrissie0707
Date Posted: 02 May 2019 at 8:54pm
Originally posted by Lisa_Who Lisa_Who wrote:

Originally posted by chrissie0707 chrissie0707 wrote:

Is anyone else getting twitchy waiting for results???


YES.  Now that I've been through this scenario once, I have come to the conclusion that I start to twitch about 2 weeks prior to results.  Seriously, I'm totally fine right up til that point but at T-minus 2 weeks...I start to gradually lose it. Smile



Saaaaaaaaame.

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Posted By: beadbalm
Date Posted: 04 May 2019 at 8:40am
Originally posted by Seacore Seacore wrote:

Furious Fiction starts their monthly flash contest in a few hours.

I don't quite know why I'm advertising it to a room full of strong competition, but there I went.

I am insanely curious to see what strong writers do with the word mayonnaise.


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Posted By: Seacore
Date Posted: 04 May 2019 at 6:31pm
Speaking of which, I could use a couple of beta testers for said competition.

It's not a strong effort, my weekend got filled with annoying "life" 


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Posted By: Seacore
Date Posted: 04 May 2019 at 6:39pm
Originally posted by beadbalm beadbalm wrote:

Originally posted by Seacore Seacore wrote:

Furious Fiction starts their monthly flash contest in a few hours.

I don't quite know why I'm advertising it to a room full of strong competition, but there I went.

I am insanely curious to see what strong writers do with the word mayonnaise.

I've never written anything with word inclusion prompts before. I found it overwhelming at first. They took the fore and I started mentally drafting a domestic scene in which a couple were arguing while setting up a brunch for an important guest. I could tell it was going to be a bit of a nothing scene, so I let the prompts sit in the back of my head and slowly a detective noir tone started to creep in and that's what I've done. 


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Posted By: beadbalm
Date Posted: 04 May 2019 at 7:15pm
Originally posted by Seacore Seacore wrote:

Originally posted by beadbalm beadbalm wrote:

Originally posted by Seacore Seacore wrote:

Furious Fiction starts their monthly flash contest in a few hours.

I don't quite know why I'm advertising it to a room full of strong competition, but there I went.

I am insanely curious to see what strong writers do with the word mayonnaise.

I've never written anything with word inclusion prompts before. I found it overwhelming at first. They took the fore and I started mentally drafting a domestic scene in which a couple were arguing while setting up a brunch for an important guest. I could tell it was going to be a bit of a nothing scene, so I let the prompts sit in the back of my head and slowly a detective noir tone started to creep in and that's what I've done. 

It was definitely different. Noir sounds like a good direction. Mine's mostly a semi-comic argument. So another argument, haha! Happy to switch betas, if you want. Just put a link in my in-box or your email address.


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Posted By: BarbaraFL
Date Posted: 10 May 2019 at 7:27pm
I don't think I have a shot at Round 3, but given that I forgot and booked a trip that requires me to drive approximately 11 hours the day I would need to be writing that Round 3 story, maybe I will get to Round 3. LOLConfused




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Posted By: zchgdn
Date Posted: 13 May 2019 at 6:21am
Well that month crawled by. I doubt I'm moving on to Round 3, but even if not, I'm glad I finally took on the challenge after years of seeing an ad for NYC Midnight on Facebook. :) 

Best of luck everyone!

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