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Topic: Final Draft 10
Posted By: Suave
Subject: Final Draft 10
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2018 at 9:34pm
I purchased Final Draft 10 earlier this year, the other day I get an email asking me for another $80 to upgrade to 11.  I contacted them and asked why if I just bought this they would not upgrade it to 11 - I thought this is really tacky and just a mistake.  They said they no, they would not upgrade me as I was outside their free upgrade window of the last of July.  Buy software, and almost immediately they try and sell me an upgrade - Final Draft has seen the last dollar they will ever get out of me.


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Posted By: Talespinner
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2018 at 3:57am
Final Draft, barely used, final purchase.

With apologies to Hemingway.Wink


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Posted By: cheezopath
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2018 at 6:10am
but you can add images to the beatboard now

dont you want to pay $80 for that


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Posted By: stephenmatlock
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2018 at 9:02am
Fade In seems a good substitute AND it allows for images.

Doesn't have a beat board, tho.


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Posted By: Suave
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2018 at 10:52pm
Originally posted by cheezopath cheezopath wrote:

but you can add images to the beatboard now

dont you want to pay $80 for that

Ya, haha, that would make it worth it!


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Posted By: Suave
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2018 at 11:32am
Originally posted by Talespinner Talespinner wrote:

Final Draft, barely used, final purchase.

With apologies to Hemingway.Wink


I am sure he would agree with you!


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Posted By: cyberk
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2018 at 11:56am
I've switched to using WriterDuet, which is rock solid, flexible and developed by one guy who is super responsive to emails. It's SUPER great for collaborating or working with copy editors on your script.


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Posted By: Random
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2018 at 12:31pm
Originally posted by cyberk cyberk wrote:

I've switched to using WriterDuet, which is rock solid, flexible and developed by one guy who is super responsive to emails. It's SUPER great for collaborating or working with copy editors on your script.


Wordstar was developed by one guy who was super responsive, until he wasn't.  The company that bought it tried to create a new release, but nobody could read his code.  Now only old gnomes who live in machine rooms with grey ponytails on bald heads and sit at green screen terminals all day writing impossibly cryptic command lines in csh know about it.  A bit like Wordperfect; that was the best word processor in the world until Microsoft bought the third best and murdered it.

I actually got FD11.  Not sure why, other than I could.  Haven't used it yet (I only used FD10 a couple times, and found out you can create corrupt files easily during a screenwriting contest).  I used to think I wanted to be a screenwriter, and maybe I still do (even though I don't watch TV or movies), but I did a suicide scene that was almost entirely self-talk and realized you can do things with prose that are pretty heart-breaking.  Getting completely lost in a book is still my favorite pastime. 

I'll tell you what I think of FD11 next weekend.  Maybe I'll get as annoyed with it as I was with FD 10 and use WriteDuet.  I hear it's written by one guy who is super-responsive to emails...  Big smile


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Posted By: stephenmatlock
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2018 at 1:09pm
Originally posted by Suave Suave wrote:

Originally posted by Talespinner Talespinner wrote:

Final Draft, barely used, final purchase.

With apologies to Hemingway.Wink


I am sure he would agree with you!


Oh baby, that is a shoe-in!


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Posted By: stephenmatlock
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2018 at 1:13pm
BTW, I found that WriterDuet (online) is super easy to use, as is Amazon Storywriter, as long as you understand the basics of screenwriting (what the tags are, such as DIALOGUE or CHARACTER, and so on). And collaboration is super easy.

I'm collaborating with someone in another country where wifi/internet is spotty and expensive, so we're using a combination of WPS Office (he's using a tablet) and Fade In (I'm using a desktop). We'll see how it goes. He can get and send files in bursts, but it's difficult and costly to get on-demand wireless, and data plans are wildly expensive. There aren't any "free" hot spots that are easy to get to during his normal day-to-day activities.

I can't imagine using a tablet to do real work, TBH. I need the physical keyboard as my fingertips get sore if I use the glass screen of the tablet too much.


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Posted By: Suave
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2018 at 8:41pm
Originally posted by stephenmatlock stephenmatlock wrote:

BTW, I found that WriterDuet (online) is super easy to use, as is Amazon Storywriter, as long as you understand the basics of screenwriting (what the tags are, such as DIALOGUE or CHARACTER, and so on). And collaboration is super easy.

I'm collaborating with someone in another country where wifi/internet is spotty and expensive, so we're using a combination of WPS Office (he's using a tablet) and Fade In (I'm using a desktop). We'll see how it goes. He can get and send files in bursts, but it's difficult and costly to get on-demand wireless, and data plans are wildly expensive. There aren't any "free" hot spots that are easy to get to during his normal day-to-day activities.

I can't imagine using a tablet to do real work, TBH. I need the physical keyboard as my fingertips get sore if I use the glass screen of the tablet too much.


I am sure there is a good story to go with this, probably good enough to be a story in its own light.  Of all the countries that I know of where data can be so expensive, I can only think of Canada, lol, but still . . .


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Posted By: Suave
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2018 at 12:55am
Originally posted by cyberk cyberk wrote:

I've switched to using WriterDuet, which is rock solid, flexible and developed by one guy who is super responsive to emails. It's SUPER great for collaborating or working with copy editors on your script.


I think there are many good alternatives to chose from out there, no reason to pick the most expensive as they will just try and scam you outa money as you go.


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Posted By: Suave
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 12:46am
Originally posted by Random Random wrote:

Originally posted by cyberk cyberk wrote:

I've switched to using WriterDuet, which is rock solid, flexible and developed by one guy who is super responsive to emails. It's SUPER great for collaborating or working with copy editors on your script.


Wordstar was developed by one guy who was super responsive, until he wasn't.  The company that bought it tried to create a new release, but nobody could read his code.  Now only old gnomes who live in machine rooms with grey ponytails on bald heads and sit at green screen terminals all day writing impossibly cryptic command lines in csh know about it.  A bit like Wordperfect; that was the best word processor in the world until Microsoft bought the third best and murdered it.

I actually got FD11.  Not sure why, other than I could.  Haven't used it yet (I only used FD10 a couple times, and found out you can create corrupt files easily during a screenwriting contest).  I used to think I wanted to be a screenwriter, and maybe I still do (even though I don't watch TV or movies), but I did a suicide scene that was almost entirely self-talk and realized you can do things with prose that are pretty heart-breaking.  Getting completely lost in a book is still my favorite pastime. 

I'll tell you what I think of FD11 next weekend.  Maybe I'll get as annoyed with it as I was with FD 10 and use WriteDuet.  I hear it's written by one guy who is super-responsive to emails...  Big smile

Personally, I have tried the Fade In and it works well, I only bought the FD10 because so many others had it, and I had the money, lol.  But that is the last money they will see from me.


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Posted By: Zblugg
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2018 at 11:14am
Originally posted by stephenmatlock stephenmatlock wrote:

Originally posted by Suave Suave wrote:

Originally posted by Talespinner Talespinner wrote:

Final Draft, barely used, final purchase.

With apologies to Hemingway.Wink


I am sure he would agree with you!


Oh baby, that is a shoe-in!

As a fellow punster, allow me to groan my appreciation, sir.


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Posted By: callmedeb
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2018 at 1:58pm
I think I have FD9 (or maybe 8), I won it in another contest. Haven't upgraded.

I hand write early drafts anyway, so it's more of a word processor for me. I also use their App in my iPad in a pinch - I have a keyboard, there's no way i'd touch type on the screen, even for 5 pages, lol.


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Posted By: Suave
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2018 at 11:18pm
Originally posted by callmedeb callmedeb wrote:

I think I have FD9 (or maybe 8), I won it in another contest. Haven't upgraded.

I hand write early drafts anyway, so it's more of a word processor for me. I also use their App in my iPad in a pinch - I have a keyboard, there's no way i'd touch type on the screen, even for 5 pages, lol.

5 pages would seem a lot to touch type on the screen.


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Posted By: JeffreyHowe
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 12:26am
Most tablets pair nicely with small Bluetooth keyboards. In many cases (iPad especially) they are built to act as covers too. I will be writing my entry on one tomorrow. Smile

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Posted By: Random
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2018 at 10:20pm
Good news:
  • The five page screenplay with title page did not blow up FD11


Bad News:

  • All five pages sucked; the suckiness of the actual screenplay exceeded only by the banal suckiness of the title page.


Overall rating: It appears FD11 doesn't produce an output any better than that typed into it, which makes me wonder what value it provides.  If I get crap out from crap in I could use any formatting application out there.  The hope was there would be a button that said something along the lines of "Save as Masterpiece", but I couldn't find it. 



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Posted By: stephenmatlock
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2018 at 11:13pm
Originally posted by Random Random wrote:

The hope was there would be a button that said something along the lines of "Save as Masterpiece", but I couldn't find it. 


Ah. You still have the beta of FD11. The full release can do that.

But it turns out it's always saving a copy of THE MALTESE FALCON.


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Posted By: Suave
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2018 at 12:02am
Originally posted by stephenmatlock stephenmatlock wrote:

Originally posted by Random Random wrote:

The hope was there would be a button that said something along the lines of "Save as Masterpiece", but I couldn't find it. 


Ah. You still have the beta of FD11. The full release can do that.

But it turns out it's always saving a copy of THE MALTESE FALCON.


I think I know what happened in the previous screenwriting contest.  I like to run stuff through Grammarly and the only way to do that is to save it as a pdf and then open it in Word and then there is no way to get it back into FD so I was doing side by side and saved to the wrong file and sent the wrong one in.  I wish they would make the FD a little more friendly to other programs instead of being like Microsoft. 


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Posted By: Suave
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2018 at 10:46pm
Originally posted by JeffreyHowe JeffreyHowe wrote:

Most tablets pair nicely with small Bluetooth keyboards. In many cases (iPad especially) they are built to act as covers too. I will be writing my entry on one tomorrow. Smile


How did it go?


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Posted By: Scarlet Screenwriter
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2018 at 6:46am

FD10 has been out for a few years.  I have been using Final Draft since Version 5 ... 1996?  Best thing ever ... it is second nature now.  I am considering upgrading to 11 ... you can try it for a month, which is pretty generous.  I wrote this entry on it and it was brilliant ... much more intuitive... the $79 upgrade fee is fair, considering it is almost a whole new package. 








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Posted By: Suave
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2018 at 6:55am
Originally posted by Scarlet Screenwriter Scarlet Screenwriter wrote:


FD10 has been out for a few years.  I have been using Final Draft since Version 5 ... 1996?  Best thing ever ... it is second nature now.  I am considering upgrading to 11 ... you can try it for a month, which is pretty generous.  I wrote this entry on it and it was brilliant ... much more intuitive... the $79 upgrade fee is fair, considering it is almost a whole new package. 








Fair unless you just bought the FD10 program, I just got another email trying to get me to upgrade to the 11 for $80 when I just bought the 10.  Ya it works, but so do the others.  I have found that trying to import into the FD is not all that easy if possible at all.  I have esportedin the pdf so that I could open it in grammarly but there is no way to get it back into the FD once I have made the checks and fix my errors, have to manually input it, u would think if it is the same pdf that you exported that it would open it, but not for me.  I tried opening some of the fade in files I had, same result.



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Posted By: Ioshkafu
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2018 at 12:01am
Hi, I'm only an occasional creative writer and mostly a translator of movie scripts (from Italian to English). I do about 75% of my work on an iPad Mini (no external keyboard), in txt mode using Fountain markup... then once done, I import the "fountainized" script into Fade In and from there export to FDX (8) because most production companies here want the output in Final Draft and in PDF (generated by FD). 

The iOS apps of both Final Draft and Fade In are horrible for handhelds... so I use Notebooks which offers Connective Editing - an  idea of mine that ace programmer Alfons Schmid of Austria kindly implemented that makes most of the standard (meat-and-potatoes) Editing operations actually faster on a handheld than what's normal on a computer. 

Editing power is very important to me because translation is editing on steroids, the process being: load the original, read a portion, translate that portion, forward delete the old, move on to next portion and repeat... then Approx. 20K words later... "FINE"  gets translated to - "THE END" - and canceled. But that's only the beginning of the end, because now I have to take it to the top and put the job through a polish... now it's a bit closer to what you "creativi" do... in any case, it's English on English.

Anyhow... I'm a big Fountain to Fade In  aficionado... Fountain gives me the freedom to work on any device. (All allow txt mode). Then the iPad mini running Notebooks (with Connective Editing) allows me to work slouched in bed, in the car, al fresco at a cafe bar, strolling... and I mean WORK PRODUCTIVELY (5-6K words a day). 

Connective Editing has a very shallow learning curve... (mostly getting the hang of it)... 

Of course, in the end, what matters is house training the eternal puppy (on the paper! Get the sh on the paper!)... so whatever works for you is fine... and there's the word AND... handheld AND computer, not so much handheld vs computer. Just rest assured that editing on an iPad Mini is now crazy fast!



Posted By: Suave
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2018 at 9:38pm
Originally posted by Ioshkafu Ioshkafu wrote:

Hi, I'm only an occasional creative writer and mostly a translator of movie scripts (from Italian to English). I do about 75% of my work on an iPad Mini (no external keyboard), in txt mode using Fountain markup... then once done, I import the "fountainized" script into Fade In and from there export to FDX (8) because most production companies here want the output in Final Draft and in PDF (generated by FD). 

The iOS apps of both Final Draft and Fade In are horrible for handhelds... so I use Notebooks which offers Connective Editing - an  idea of mine that ace programmer Alfons Schmid of Austria kindly implemented that makes most of the standard (meat-and-potatoes) Editing operations actually faster on a handheld than what's normal on a computer. 

Editing power is very important to me because translation is editing on steroids, the process being: load the original, read a portion, translate that portion, forward delete the old, move on to next portion and repeat... then Approx. 20K words later... "FINE"  gets translated to - "THE END" - and canceled. But that's only the beginning of the end, because now I have to take it to the top and put the job through a polish... now it's a bit closer to what you "creativi" do... in any case, it's English on English.

Anyhow... I'm a big Fountain to Fade In  aficionado... Fountain gives me the freedom to work on any device. (All allow txt mode). Then the iPad mini running Notebooks (with Connective Editing) allows me to work slouched in bed, in the car, al fresco at a cafe bar, strolling... and I mean WORK PRODUCTIVELY (5-6K words a day). 

Connective Editing has a very shallow learning curve... (mostly getting the hang of it)... 

Of course, in the end, what matters is house training the eternal puppy (on the paper! Get the sh on the paper!)... so whatever works for you is fine... and there's the word AND... handheld AND computer, not so much handheld vs computer. Just rest assured that editing on an iPad Mini is now crazy fast!



That sounds interesting, and not that easy.  I am supposing that it gets complicated when you need to make judgement calls on what something means in English.  How is the pay for something like that?


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Posted By: Ioshkafu
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2018 at 2:04am
Hello Suave,
Well it can be hard... but nothing compared to the blank page that creative writers must face, with the godlike task of creating everything out of thin air.

I don't start with a blank screen, but with 20K of someone else's bla-bla. Sure, I need to be creative... but in a cage, while the "creativi" must be creative out in the wild.

In any case, the actual physical work of formatting and editing is identical. What you do in Final Draft or Fade In or the others, I have to do as well...

All resistance to the American industrial formatting standard has disappeared. So now, whether done in Final Draft or not, the end product must "look" like it was done in Final Draft.

I use Final Draft only and precisely for its namesake... the Final Draft... the draft I deliver. Otherwise I'm not at all fond of the program... because it's very sluggish for editing and totally in the thrall of what I call the "Microsoft Whammy"...

But bear in mind that I'm just a scribe, so I don't need all the undeniably great database functionalities of a scriptwriting program. All I need is the formatting! For example, what am I gonna do with a corkboard?

My contribution to humanity was to make editing on handhelds - yes, even on an iPhone, incredibly more snappy than anything out there.

The big boys, the programming heavies missed something huge about txt editing... that it's CONNECTIVE.

Connective in its blind mechanics, its pondered purpose, it's
Geography (no I'm not crazy)... and 9 times outta 10 in its practice.


Posted By: JeffreyHowe
Date Posted: 05 Nov 2018 at 1:46pm
Originally posted by Suave Suave wrote:

Originally posted by JeffreyHowe JeffreyHowe wrote:

Most tablets pair nicely with small Bluetooth keyboards. In many cases (iPad especially) they are built to act as covers too. I will be writing my entry on one tomorrow. Smile


How did it go?

Sorry, just getting back here after more real life distractions. It worked fine. Finished up at home with the full version the next day.


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