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Silverlock ![]() NYC Midnight Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 Jan 2022 Status: Offline Points: 177 |
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From what I have read on these forums, many people worry about getting the Comedy genre, on the grounds that humor is subjective: who knows whether you will hit an anonymous judge's funny bone? If your sense of humor doesn't happen to line up with the three people judging the story, you're dead in the water. I've read some stories on here that I found genuinely hilarious, and others that I wouldn't even have recognized as comedies without the label. (My point here is not that I am the great judge of comedy and that some stories are bad, but rather that different people can have very different senses of humor.) The stories posted here indicate that people approach comedy in very different ways. Some people fill their stories with jokes: the characters deliver zingers, like characters in American sitcoms, or the narrator makes a lot of puns. Other writers focus on creating ludicrous situations, so that the climax of the story involves a grand piano hanging halfway out the upstairs window over the rare orchid display, while the hero, dressed in someone else's clown costume, tries to persuade the pet goat to bring him the key to the handcuffs so he can save the flower show. Or, you know, something in that vein. For me, the key to great comedy writing is a main character or narrator with a strong, distinctive point of view. I don't think you need "jokes" or even ludicrous situations (although I am much more open to the latter than the former). Once you have a good protagonist/narrator all you need to do is plonk them into a normal situation (a first date, a job interview, a football game, etc.) and just filter everything through their unique point of view. If you have a good character, then it's pretty much automatically funny. But then the only time I got a Comedy prompt, I got thumbs down from all the judges. So what do I know? So...what makes good comedy? Edited by Silverlock - 07 Mar 2023 at 2:15am |
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groza528 ![]() NYC Midnight Regular ![]() ![]() Joined: 21 Nov 2022 Location: Oklahoma City Status: Offline Points: 254 |
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Humor being subjective, I think there are some pretty significant differences between American and British comedy which lay some of the groundwork.
American humor does tend to lend itself toward more of the one-liners, as you identified. It also commonly revolves around characters that are “cool and successful” (or at least appear to be successful). Think about some of the more popular American sitcoms, like Friends, How I Met Your Mother, Big Bang Theory… All of them live in nice apartments in expensive cities and in general things go their way even though they are not always the nicest of people. Very rarely is there active hostility toward the characters from the outside, excepting a recurring rival or villain-of-the-week— even in TBBT nerd culture is made “cool”. (Disclaimer: I am a huge nerd and I do think nerd culture is cool, but it was not the norm in earlier media) By contrast, British comedy leans more toward grand setups and “losers,” by which I mean main characters that are not well-regarded and who rarely accomplish their goals. They may be in positions of stature (e.g. Blackadder, Jeeves and Wooster) but more often they are common folk in crappy apartments —if you ever even see their homes. Think Fawlty Towers, IT Crowd, Red Dwarf. In short, American audiences want to BE sitcom heroes, and British audiences want to see those poor bastards struggle.
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UK5AM ![]() NYC Midnight Addict ![]() ![]() Joined: 31 Aug 2021 Location: Uk Status: Offline Points: 1034 |
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If I'm writing comedy I tend to use unlikely situations and familiar character tropes, which can then be spun in an unexpected way. Character driven comedy is my favourite because the reader cares what happens regardless of the hijinks so you can usually get a smile at least!
In a competition, if I'm completely uninspired, I will aim to write a specific style of comedy so that the judges have a baseline to judge it against. So for example if I wrote something in the style of a screwball comedy I hope to be judged for successful emulation of the style regardless of whether a judge enjoys that type of comedy. |
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taaaylor ![]() NYC Midnight Black Belt ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jul 2018 Location: Idaho Status: Offline Points: 5343 |
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I think it's intensely subjective. I've written the exact same type of comedies -- Douglas Adams copycat with a wry ending that doubles as a punchline -- across multiple rounds. I've placed highly in some and gotten zero points in some. I didn't change how I write comedy; I just got judges who liked my humor one time and really didn't like it the other time. x) Imo it's the most subjective genre assignment, but I wouldn't fear it. I'd just have fun and write something that makes you laugh while you write it. The only thing you can control is writing something that honors your own writing voice and interests. I think it's always a good idea to focus on relatable and unexpected characters, since comedies are still stories and need that element of a character with a motivation. :) <3
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annemarie ![]() NYC Midnight Addict ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 2020 Location: WESTERN AUSTRAL Status: Offline Points: 875 |
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I've officially drawn humour twice. The first was in the Flash and I took a more subtle approach - possibly bordering on Pol Sat. Some people seemed to really like it, others found it mildly amusing at best. It came in 11th place
My second is in the current Short Story round. I really struggled with the prompts and ended up taking a very slap-stick route. I got some really positive feedback, but it also completely missed the mark for others. Results are yet to be posted so will just have to wait and see what the judges think. Funnily enough, two out of three judges commented positively on comedic elements of my 2nd round 250 entry (didn't place) which was ostensibly a fairy tale - so who knows? I certainly don't take it to heart when people don't connect with my stories, particularly with humour as it so subjective. I figure if I make one person chuckle it's a win - even if it's only myself!
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Suave ![]() NYC Midnight Black Belt ![]() Joined: 25 Jan 2015 Location: Thailand Status: Offline Points: 23072 |
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I have no set way of writing comedy. I have always written comedy to send to my friends. I was also the class clown in school, at which I was highly successful, so I just think of something funny and write it. Now, there are more constraints compared to back then, meaning so many things people will take offence to. I wrote a comedy for a different contest for screenplay, not NYCM, and everyone I showed it thought it was deff funny - one judge said he/she did not find it funny in the least - I put that down to my finding humor in people with all four limbs missing, but maybe it had something to do with one of the limbless characters looked very much like Prince Harry, but then it could have been because I included Nancy Pelosi chasing cars while foaming at the mouth. At any rate that one judge that found no humor sank me...
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jimiflan2 ![]() NYC Midnight Black Belt ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Jan 2009 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2231 |
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I’ve had to write a few comedies for NYCM and I think the ones that did really well were the ones that made myself laugh even thinking about the idea/concept. I tend to lean into absurdism and more British style of MCs who are unlikable (and get their comeuppance) or pathetic for some reason (and win despite all odds).
It is subjective, but a good story with only a few laughs will probably still do good with the judges.
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ChartreuseButOrange ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 23 Feb 2023 Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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I reckon that this is sort of a luck of the draw though also a pander to the masses scenario, which is kinda sad. It is like playing music in a workplace. You don't necessarily know these people past working with them so if you're in charge of the radio for that day you won't be playing Rammstein or Brand of Sacrifice or Ruby My Dear even if that's a band you really like.
Better yet, you know that these people like metal (what a workplace) but you like old metal from it's early days when the songs would be about wizards and ghouls instead of throat tearing screams. You still like the new stuff and play it but it's just not your thing. But, you're all content. Maybe not thrilled but its not bad. And if you had played what you wanted to play it is probable that these people wouldn't have recognised that as metal. What I'm getting at is when asked for comedy there is an expectation and as much as leaning into self indulgence goes sometimes people won't recognise it as comedy, for whatever reason.
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