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Originally posted by copperdogma copperdogma wrote:

Originally posted by Suave Suave wrote:


Watermarks only work if you copy and paste.
Now if there were a way of inserting certain words in a pattern throughout a story,
sort of like the US dollar has the Eurion Constellation that a photocopy machine will not copy....

We covered that earlier in the thread, but I'll paste it here:

https://theamericangenius.com/tech-news/chatgpt-watermark/#:~:text=You%20can't%20currently%20use,stage%20of%20ChatGPT%20feature%20rollouts.

TLDR: Cryptogenic watermarking. "The key to making AI content watermarking virtually undetectable is ensuring the distribution of words still has a unique and random appearance like regular AI-generated text."

That's interesting. If they do it consistently enough within the text, anything you don't rewrite fully by hand would still contain that distribution ("watermark"), so the more you leave unchanged the higher it would rate on something detecting generated text.

Ah... I never followed that link before.
I think that will only catch the idiots though, pretty easy to thwart it.


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Originally posted by Zero11 Zero11 wrote:

Check out this article! 


That was where I got going down the rabbit hole. Great article and it gives hope.
Another thing that gives me hope is that a large group of people are setting their computers to continually ask for stories, articles, papers etc on why Elon Musk's first name should be Anal instead.

They figure if he started banning everyone on Twitter who offended him within a few days of owning it, he might be so offended by a billion stories making fun of him that he'll want *his program marked so he can trace the people who use it. It would work backwards as well so that would be another way to catch the cheaters.
Waiting for EU to ban it for IP violations. It's already been caught using terms and characters who can only be found in paid (not public) works. They seem to be setting up a case to show that it's stealing work not in the public domain. None of those rights were purchased by the company.

*Like Tesla, not his idea or work. 

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hopefully we can return to better days, when cheaters had to hire ghost-writers from developing nations to graduate college...

Universities offered software to sniff out ChatGPT-written essays: Teachers hopefully get their hands on the tool within months


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I see Google is going to add this ChatGPT program to their search.


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Originally posted by Deschain Deschain wrote:

hopefully we can return to better days, when cheaters had to hire ghost-writers from developing nations to graduate college...

Universities offered software to sniff out ChatGPT-written essays: Teachers hopefully get their hands on the tool within months



It is a good start. But I have to think that times strapped students might use something like the AI to write their papers and then just touch them up. Course as time goes on the work might become good enough that the students would not need to touch them up. 

And having teachers use the percentages the new detector might provide without giving the student any chance to respond, well that would not be a good ending - I don't see how the teacher can use this very effectively, could not just say, "Hey, you cheated!" without some sort of solid evidence.


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Originally posted by Suave Suave wrote:

Originally posted by Deschain Deschain wrote:

hopefully we can return to better days, when cheaters had to hire ghost-writers from developing nations to graduate college...

Universities offered software to sniff out ChatGPT-written essays: Teachers hopefully get their hands on the tool within months



It is a good start. But I have to think that times strapped students might use something like the AI to write their papers and then just touch them up. Course as time goes on the work might become good enough that the students would not need to touch them up.

I'm assuming any of the other old plagiarism tricks, like dropping your essay into Google translate and translating it to German and back would probably be enough to cover it up. I don't really know.

for us creative types, this thing seems pretty horrible, but I can tell you from experience there was a great deal of fear about algebraic solvers and things like that. people were scared that students wouldn't understand algebra I guess. I use the concepts I learned in school every single day of my job, but I probably only have to solve an algebraic equation four or five times a year. there's always going to be new tools, there's always going to be apprehension about those tools. people might be completely justified, personally, I think it's a shame if people don't learn how to write for themselves, but there's also a certain inevitability about it. I don't think anyone's wrong for hating chatGPT, but on some level it's like getting mad at the ocean for the tides
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Originally posted by Suave Suave wrote:



Just found this.


That's one of the more concise ones I've seen. I'll be sharing that, thx!
Sound like former ceo Musk is a little peeved that he missed out on the money this will be making, lol. He didn't just ban it from twitter but from using any sources he controls. No twitter harvesting might mean it may pick up a little less neo-nazi stuff from the little scumbag's friends.

Our schoolboard is testing the GPT catcher and it's still at 100% success rate as of this morning. There's also a concerted effort by the happy hackers to mess up some common cheats. 
Sad robot, lol.
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Originally posted by Popsicle Crows Popsicle Crows wrote:

Originally posted by Suave Suave wrote:



Just found this.


That's one of the more concise ones I've seen. I'll be sharing that, thx!
Sound like former ceo Musk is a little peeved that he missed out on the money this will be making, lol. He didn't just ban it from twitter but from using any sources he controls. No twitter harvesting might mean it may pick up a little less neo-nazi stuff from the little scumbag's friends.

Our schoolboard is testing the GPT catcher and it's still at 100% success rate as of this morning. There's also a concerted effort by the happy hackers to mess up some common cheats. 
Sad robot, lol.

I think the people really who are going to profit from this are the scammers from third world countries. The ones that send you a email with all the funny grammar. They will be able to have their nasty stuff formatted right and maybe get a lot more catches?
 


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