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    Posted: 23 Dec 2016 at 9:12pm

It seems I shot myself in the keyboard with my second round short screenplay ... TRIUMPH OF TIME ... and the subject matter ...

It's a historical fiction and my protag was Albert Speer, Adolf Hitler's chief architect, along with Hitler himself, Eva Braun and assorted other historical characters ... I also used real things and places.  Real cars, names of guns, names of minor characters, etc. 

Over 200 people have opened the topic and either read the comments and/or the 5pp screenplay, but only five people have commented!  The rest of the comments have been back and forth with me trying to defend myself!  The words "Nazi Fetishist" were used ... Yikes! 

Now, I'm not touting for sympathy or comments ... or reviews for that matter ... it's in the hands of the judges and the Valkyries ... but I would like to open up the discussion on where the line should be drawn for subject matter ... if there is a line?   I've read some pretty horrible sh_it here ... cannibalism, rape, murder ... but it seems that Nazis are off limits ... unless they are clowns like THE PRODUCERS  or meet horrible, grizzly deaths at every turn ...

I once referred to a judge as a "Grammar Nazi" ... which I thought was kind of a common term for a punctuation and spelling pedant ... but you should have heard the furor!

You'll also see a link to an award-winning documentary made by a friend of mine like 40 years ago ... made mostly from Hitler's home movies ... he got German lip readers to work out what they were saying and then used actors to give them voices.  He was derided for humanising Hitler because nobody had ever heard him when he wasn't in full flight giving a speech.  He was actually boring and banal ... That's kind of how I've written him ...

Anyway, I got that off my chest ... please join in the discussion ... assuage my concerns, or otherwise ... 










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Do you work in PR Tongue

I looked at your thread to see why it was garnering the most replies, even 5 was more than anyone else had in short time.

The genre put me off jumping in and the fact that there were so many screenplays with zero replies I chose to start contributing there.

No issues with the content from here on the outside please don't get discouraged and burn your screenplay.
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Do I work in PR? Well, as a matter of fact, I used to teach advertising and marketing ... Does this smell like a stunt? I

I assure you, I was perplexed at some of the responses and the dirth of comments. I guess people were enjoying the controversy more than the screenplay.

Thanks for reading and complementing. Maybe it's just the holiday that's keeping people away.

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Not a stunt just the idea that any attention is good attention.

Now I'm curious to read it too but I'll be in the frame of mind of seeing what the fuss is about.

A tent-pole to look forward to, still working my way up.
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Originally posted by briefhawk briefhawk wrote:

Not a stunt just the idea that any attention is good attention.
Now I'm curious to read it too but I'll be in the frame of mind of seeing what the fuss is about.
A tent-pole to look forward to, still working my way up.


I don't always say any attention is good attention ... it can kill some products, books, movies, politicians ... but can be turned around ... TYLENOL lost almost 90% market share in 1986 with the Chicago poisonings ... came back stronger that ever within six months by IMMEDIATELY removing every tablet from the shelves across the US and inventing the bubble card tamper proof system that is now standard.  (one of my lessons).

It wasn't my intention to draw attention, but rather I honestly wanted to open it up for discussion ... some people can get offended so easily ...

I once wrote a flash fiction romantic comedy called THE GIRL SCOUT'S MUFFIN about a bake sale ... I was accused of writing SMUT!  Yes, it was a double entendre ... but more a tease than an attempt at smut! 

I have learned more about writing over the past six years in the forums than writing the entries ... it's an amazing exchange of info ...






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I particularly enjoyed "you should have heard the furor," and choose to believe the word choice was intentional.

I had historical fiction for the first round and I used a Nazi doctor.  I did well in the scoring, so if you don't, you can't blame the Reich.
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Sorry, Sprinkler, totally unintentional ... I'm just not THAT clever ... Funny, though .. Should it be furore?




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Hi SCARLET. This is interesting. I read your script early on and wasn't fazed by the content, characters and whatnot. I guess I have a different outlook on this whole thing. From the very beginning, way back to when you, me and Darren got off on the wrong feet, I've always seen this competition as one of "no holds barred, with a couple exceptions." Let me explain briefly. We're not under contract to write screenplays for a production company or studio, so budget isn't a factor in anything. My writing partner and I have written some hugely expensive scripts, from a budget point of view, but we didn't factor that in because it's the nature of the writing that was being judged. We've always had that "the sky's the limit" attitude, which is really refreshing, as we never sit there and dicker over things like, "But that would cost a fortune to produce!" As for content, we do set a couple boundaries, more out of respect than anything else. We have a set rule that anything we submit will not be blatantly pornographic and won't cross certain barriers (like bestiality or offenses against children, that sort of stuff) and that our dialogue will never include the "C" word (F-bombs and other coarse language are fair game, as far as we're concerned). My thoughts on your post are simple: If Albert Speer, Adolph Hitler and Eva Braun were meant to be integral characters in your story, then so be it. If people find that offensive, then I think that makes it even better. We write to elicit feeling and emotions, and those are every bit emotions as love and all the others. Personally, I'd be sitting back enjoying the controversy your script has caused, if it were my script. That would just tell me that I've done my job well in provoking thought and emotion. I realize I'm going out on a long, flimsy limb with this next comment, but I think the judges should be able to look past the cast of characters and judge your script on the story and the writing... but this IS NYCM, so I'm not so sure about making a statement like that. So, Scarlet, my advice is to just stop worrying. If you do end up scoring low and it's because the judges felt your choices in characters were off the mark, then I say, "Screw 'em." Like I said, I read your piece, like I read all your entries, and found the writing to be up to your usual high standards and well thought out presentations. That's my 2-cents worth. Good luck with the results coming next week. I hope you place high enough to move into the next round. :D All my best, SCOTT.
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Originally posted by NilesPerry NilesPerry wrote:

Hi SCARLET. This is interesting. I read your script early on and wasn't fazed by the content, characters and whatnot. I guess I have a different outlook on this whole thing. From the very beginning, way back to when you, me and Darren got off on the wrong feet, I've always seen this competition as one of "no holds barred, with a couple exceptions." Let me explain briefly. We're not under contract to write screenplays for a production company or studio, so budget isn't a factor in anything. My writing partner and I have written some hugely expensive scripts, from a budget point of view, but we didn't factor that in because it's the nature of the writing that was being judged. We've always had that "the sky's the limit" attitude, which is really refreshing, as we never sit there and dicker over things like, "But that would cost a fortune to produce!" As for content, we do set a couple boundaries, more out of respect than anything else. We have a set rule that anything we submit will not be blatantly pornographic and won't cross certain barriers (like bestiality or offenses against children, that sort of stuff) and that our dialogue will never include the "C" word (F-bombs and other coarse language are fair game, as far as we're concerned). My thoughts on your post are simple: If Albert Speer, Adolph Hitler and Eva Braun were meant to be integral characters in your story, then so be it. If people find that offensive, then I think that makes it even better. We write to elicit feeling and emotions, and those are every bit emotions as love and all the others. Personally, I'd be sitting back enjoying the controversy your script has caused, if it were my script. That would just tell me that I've done my job well in provoking thought and emotion. I realize I'm going out on a long, flimsy limb with this next comment, but I think the judges should be able to look past the cast of characters and judge your script on the story and the writing... but this IS NYCM, so I'm not so sure about making a statement like that. So, Scarlet, my advice is to just stop worrying. If you do end up scoring low and it's because the judges felt your choices in characters were off the mark, then I say, "Screw 'em." Like I said, I read your piece, like I read all your entries, and found the writing to be up to your usual high standards and well thought out presentations. That's my 2-cents worth. Good luck with the results coming next week. I hope you place high enough to move into the next round. :D All my best, SCOTT.


Young Scott ...

I always thought your name was Niles ... go figure ...

Thanks for your comments and reassurance.  I was just being paranoid.  I'd never been attacked by another contestant like that ... especially one who had a top score in the previous round. 

I can't recall putting a wrong foot with you ... I know Darren and I went into bat a few years back for Historical Fiction being a proper genre and not open to stuff like vampires and fantasy creatures ... was it that?  I never bear a grudge ...

I dropped heaps of C-Bombs in my round one screenplay, but that's only because it's a regular part of speech in Australia ... and the UK.  Still got 10 points.  I've skirted the fine line a few times, I guess ... cannibalism, child molesting ... but always off camera or alluded to. 

You in the Short Story comp, starts tomorrow?  I know Round three for screenplay (if we score enough) is next week.  Busy fortnight.

Good luck. 

Randall ...






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Originally posted by Scarlet Screenwriter Scarlet Screenwriter wrote:

Young Scott ...

I always thought your name was Niles ... go figure ...

Thanks for your comments and reassurance.  I was just being paranoid.  I'd never been attacked by another contestant like that ... especially one who had a top score in the previous round.

I can't recall putting a wrong foot with you ... I know Darren and I went into bat a few years back for Historical Fiction being a proper genre and not open to stuff like vampires and fantasy creatures ... was it that?  I never bear a grudge ...

I dropped heaps of C-Bombs in my round one screenplay, but that's only because it's a regular part of speech in Australia ... and the UK.  Still got 10 points.  I've skirted the fine line a few times, I guess ... cannibalism, child molesting ... but always off camera or alluded to.

You in the Short Story comp, starts tomorrow?  I know Round three for screenplay (if we score enough) is next week.  Busy fortnight.

Good luck.

Randall ...


No, it wasn't over the historical fiction/vampires, etc. discussion. It was just me being a forum newbie and being tactless and getting called out on it by you, Darren and several others, and rightly so. We've long since mended that fence. I don't hold grudges either...

Yes, I do believe you were being paranoid, but considering your cast of characters, you should have anticipated SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE being rubbed the wrong way. Goes with the territory, you know?I'm glad now you see it as such and aren't stressing over it.

As for the Short Story competition... I'm just not ready for that one yet. It's not my chosen form of writing. I gave it a shot last year and went down in flames, which just re-affirmed that I'm not ready to tackle that challenge yet. One day, though. One day. Just not tomorrow. :)

And yes, funny about the screen name... you have consistently called me Niles, but that's just the name of a fictional character from a favorite novel. Opening your reply with "Young Scott" was hilarious, as my surname is Young! I had a good chuckle over that.

And also yes, what did you call it? A busy fortnight? You have the Short Story challenge starting tomorrow and the next round of screenwriting next week (I'm confident you'll be moving on)... I've got next week's challenge and Create50's latest project occupying my creative slate. The year has started off quite busily. Let's hope it's rewarding for both of us. :D
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